And Another Thing…

I know what John Prescott would have done

Seriously though I disagree with the Government on the Heathrow issue, its outrageous that this individual has done what she has done and was able to walk away. She should be arrested and charged with assault.

What makes it worse IMHO, is that Peter Mandleson wasn’t there to peddle ‘green propaganda’ as alleged by Deen, but was there to promote British industry and British jobs, something Deen given her background probably wont have to worry about

So, why was the woman who read out the names of the dead arrested and this woman wasn’t (presumably she didn’t apply for ‘permission to protest’ either)?

I am in many minds about the Labour Party these days, you say about voting, when I cast my vote based on Labour’s manifesto not once can I remember reading that I would be voting for a third runway, privitisation of the royal mail and I’m still waiting for my vote on the EU treaty.

People like her make me sick. I support the decision to expand heathrow, and many agree with me. So what makes her and her organisations views take presidence over mine and people like me.

Getting militant is a sure fire way of losing the argument.

I hope she gets arrested and convicted of assault.

She’s a moron, not a suffragette.

Assault? Don’t be a plonker all your life, Tom. It was just some stupid bint throwing custard over a government minister. You only have to watch the interviews she gave to the press to realise that this woman was nuts.

Mind you, if I had my way personally, Gordon Brown would have a consignment of size 12 boots thrown at him every morning. But that’s just me.

i think mandelson is an odious creep, but I also think this woman over stepped the mark.

That said, your remarks about plane stupid and fathers 4 justice betray an arrogance that many of us think has completely permeated the political class. This particular woman sounded today like an ignorant muppet, but for every misguided fool like her, there are countless thousands of ordinary folk who feel totally let down by politics in the UK.

I quite understand you and your mates trying to make as much hay as you can, whilst the sun shines, but I would point out that storm clouds are gathering.

@The Grim Reaper
Assault? Don’t be a plonker all your life, Tom.

Annnnnd, the “stupid comment” award goes to…

Do you know what an “assault” is? What constitutes an assault, legally? After spending years in Law School, and working on a Crown Court case in practice, I do )

Btw, you sound like one of these people who thinks “a bit of a slap” is fine too. You’d be wrong there aswell.

This is straightforward assault, and there is crystal clear camera footage. Arrest her, bring her before the Magistrates and fine her. Hopefully she has friends or family in the states, because an assault conviction would make it difficult for her to go and see them in the future.

Politicians cannot be fair game for this sort of thing just because they did something you disagee with. It’s an affront to democracy.

This woman really is a disgrace, and as a society it’s about time we showed that we don’t tolerate it.

I don’t think anybody is saying she is Emily Davison. We had this discussion about Fathers for Justice.

Now, don’t get me wrong, I think the Plane Stupid people live up to their title, in spades, but protest, with custard pies is the right of every Englishman.

The problem about voting, that is your mention of the vote and the supposed democratic lien it confers, is that there is such a narrow consensus in this country that it needs to be shaken up.

When you get the Labour Party and the Tories practically having a love in, it is time to look at alternative action. I can vote for a strong alternative, here in Scotland. Down South they are not so fortunate.

“The noble women who fought for the vote had no alternative to direct action because they didn’t have a vote.”

I don’t recall having a vote and electing the Government that past these directives!

01 General, financial and institutional matters (number of acts: 1081)
02 Customs Union and free movement of goods (number of acts: 869)
03 Agriculture (number of acts: 3262)
04 Fisheries (number of acts: 793)
05 Freedom of movement for workers and social policy (number of acts: 442)
06 Right of establishment and freedom to provide services (number of acts: 237)
07 Transport policy (number of acts: 601)
08 Competition policy (number of acts: 1637)
09 Taxation (number of acts: 173)
10 Economic and monetary policy and free movement of capital (number of acts: 384)
11 External relations (number of acts: 3110)
12 Energy (number of acts: 347)
13 Industrial policy and internal market (number of acts: 1374)
14 Regional policy and coordination of structural instruments (number of acts: 366)
15 Environment, consumers and health protection (number of acts: 1115)
16 Science, information, education and culture (number of acts: 381)
17 Law relating to undertakings (number of acts: 109)
18 Common Foreign and Security Policy (number of acts: 396)
19 Area of freedom, security and justice (number of acts: 526)
20 People’s Europe (number of acts: 18)

This is what happens when we feel we are being ignored.
We were promised a vote on Lisbon, selling our gold,making the BoE independent neither were in a manifesto.
The war in Iraq on untruths. The 10p tax.
The ammount of imigration.
The ammout of tax.
The list is endless.
If you did more of what people want this would not happen.
As for Mandy the way he has behaved in the past he should not be in government. The Double standards of being green then expanding airports, no wonder this happens.

Leila Deen works for the World Development Movement. I don’t imagine that she was on annual leave from her job. The World Development Movement, I suspect, endorses this kind of assault.

What do you expect, Tom?

When Darling, then transport minister, presided over the SERAS report on aviation expansion he refused to attend meetings with those communities which would be devastated by these additional runways.

He wouldn’t even talk to those people at Heathrow and Stansted who are fighting to save their homes from demolition.

Our MP refused to hold a public meeting to discuss the proposals.

The ‘cash for runways’ scandal. Hundreds of MPs accepted freebies from BAA worth around £5,000 to over £10,000 each MP, over a million pounds was paid out in all, during the alleged consultation over airport expansion.

What sort of party of the people is Labour when it treats even communities where the majority voted for it with such contempt?

I can understand how people like Leila are driven by anger and despair to the sort of direct action they wouldn’t dream of engaging in under normal circumstances.

I agree Tom, well said.

But you have to admit, as it was Mandy, it was pretty funny huh? And she got him really good!

Give her a good spanking and be done with it!

“the great tradition of the suffragettes!”

WHAT? (That’s me shouting!)

I am almost speechless.

Millions of women have been inspired by the sacrifices, bravery, suffering, conviction of the suffragettes to vote in every election, to stand for election at every level, to participate in the political process.

Like many, I have great concerns about the environment. I am ambivalent about the third runway. But throwing substances in any persons eyes will not inspire me to anything! I thought Lord Mandelson acted with dignity, even though he must have been seriously concerned about what had hit him. It is a shame that this young woman got the publicity she was seeking. At least if she is arrested and charged, it is unlikely that she will endure the privations suffered by the original suffragettes.

The Conservatives have declared that if they are elected at the next election, they will cancel the third runway. Because of the actions of Emily Davison and her compatriots, any woman opposed to the Heathrow expansion can vote for them and apply democratic process.

(I seem to have found my voice!)

Anoneumouse,

Maybe you missed the European elections 5 years ago, but fear not, they are coming back soon.

Tom,

You’ve said that, unlike the Suffragettes, airport protestors have the right to vote, the implication being that we are not denied fundamental rights, just incidental ones.

Do you view the right to sleep as an incidental right, or a fundamental one?

A scientific study accepted by the Heathrow night flights court case found, when it measured the sleep patterns of a sample of Heathrow people, that their sleep was disturbed up to 16 times a night between the hours of 11 pm and 7 am. The judge in the case viewed this as inhuman and outlawed night flights between the above hours.

Yet your government refused to accept this. It pushed the case to Appeal, on the grounds that it was not in the national interest for people beneath flight paths to have sufficient sleep. I know you find this aspect of the protestors’ case boring, you certainly would not do so if you and your family lived at Heathrow.

For me, this an indication of the government’s desire to make second class citizens of people living under flight paths, for our government we are not fully human as we are excluded from the fundamental right to sleep.

How is that any different from excluding individuals from the fundamental right to vote because they are female? Or any different from excluding children from the fundamental right of schooling because of their ethnic origins?

The fact is, it’s no different, it’s just another form of inhuman Apartheid.

I admire Leila Deen for drawing attention to that. The direct action she took was illegal, but so was that of the Suffragettes when they burned post boxes and so was that of the early direct action of the Civil Rights protestors in America.

Sometimes you have to break a bad law to change it.

“If you did more of what people want this would not happen”

Johnny – I’m sorry, but I found this comment rather annoying. You seem to be assuming that everyone agrees with your worldview. In fact, the 60m people who live in this country want many different things from their Government. This is what makes the business of running a country rather more complex than your comment implies.

Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving person (apart from Mr Brown, smith, the balls etc).

She has every right to protest, free country and all that, but I agree that she should be charged with assault.

Now perhaps someone knows what happened after Prescott hit the protestor. Was Prescott charged?

Then we have the recent event of a lady being sentenced to 21 months for killing someone by careless driving (and the goverment calling it in for review as it is considered too leniant) and a labour lord (he who threatened to call up 10,000 muslims) getting 18 days in an open prison for killing someone by careless driving.

One law for labour another for the common person.

Oh yes, isn’t incitment to violence/riot an offence? If it is why did lord ahmed not get charged? He also hadn’t ask permission to hold a demonstration near parliament for his followers.

Chris’ Wills: “a labour lord… getting 18 days in an open prison for killing someone by careless driving.”

For the absence of doubt, Lord Ahmed was NOT found guilty of death by dangerous driving – he was found guilty of dangerous driving – driving while texting – and jailed, deservedly, as a result.

Organisations like Plane Stupid and Fathers4Justice have exactly the same mindset: their first priority is “Hey everybody, look at me!”, followed closely by “Of course we should get our way because we’re right and your wrong, so there!”

How is that any different from any arrogant Political Party e.g. the Labour Party or the BNP ?

reminds me of the dying days of the Tories in 1996. It seemed that a Tory was getting something thrown at them every day. Who’s next? I vote Gordon Brown followed by J Smith

Personally I think you politicians should be grateful that in general the British public are a very placid race. Having various forms of farm produce (egg,tomatoe,flour etc) thrown in your direction as a form of protest and publicity seeking is mild compared to what happens in other countries (bombs and bullets).
Whilst Mandelson may have been briefly humiliated, because of his remarkable restraint the backlash will fall on the protestor.

Tom,

1) I trust this part of your writing will be personally sent on to Harridan Harperson, in relation to her extra-legal radio remarks about violating contract law (that excessive pension) :

“Just because the government that was elected last time round doesn’t agree with you, doesn’t mean you have the right to over-rule it.”

2) Your remarks about having the vote ignore the fact that it was a mere 20 or 22 % of the total electorate who actually voted FOR your mob, last time round. Some majority, no ?

Alan Douglas

Clearly the democratic process is far from perfect, and Labour’s credentials in this regard are hardly beyond reproach, but what good a juvenile and self-indulgent prank does is beyond me, as are the attempts being made to defend it.

Er … how can you possibly slime the ultimate slimeball?

While I regard Plane Stupid as utterly stupid, what have we come to as a society when our politicians get all huffy because someone disagrees with them?

Personally, I think it would be only fair to set up rows of stocks outside Wastemonster and allow people to slime MPs all day long in exchange for the carnage you have wrought upon us.

UK in full Drama Queen Fest over custard!
Says it all, doesn’t it? Even Mandy laughed it off with jokes and also stated he didn’t want to take it further … and fair play to him for that.

Sadly, the Drama Queens already had their knickers in a twist so the Fest began.

Meanwhile back in the real world …

People are ignored and treated with utter contempt by all the political parties. This woman has succeeded where petitions and protests have failed. If that is what it takes to draw attention to a cause then so be it. The French have been doing it for years and getting what they want as a result. We should follow their example.

“This woman has succeeded where petitions and protests have failed.”

You mean Heathrow’s third runway’s been cancelled? Gosh, must’ve missed that…

“The French have been doing it for years and getting what they want as a result. We should follow their example.”

Presumably you mean national strikes at the drop of a hat, violent riots, that sort of thing? Yeah, great example to follow.

@Tom,

I didn’t say dangerous driving, I wrote careless driving.

As you well know the highway code says that you should drive responsibly taking the road, road conditions and weather into account and to leave enough time to brake in the evnt of an unforseen incident.

Never mind, the person he killed wasn’t anyone important.

Chris’ Wills (what’s with the apostrophe, by the way?) – once again, for the absence of doubt, Ahmed did not kill anyone because of careless driving. He was not jailed for killing anyone – he was jailed for texting while driving during an earlier part of his journey, before the accident in which another driver was tragically killed.

Tom @ 9.40 am: You mean Heathrow’s third runway’s been cancelled?

Yes, Tom, it’s been cancelled, or rather, it will be cancelled, as an indirect result of how disengaged the government have become from us people outside the corridors of power.

Did you forget that we, the disengaged ones, elect our government?

I’ve got an idea

Let’s not vote for Mandy at the next election

erm.

Green custard? I thought it was blood, Mandlesons blood.

@ Tom …Presumably you mean national strikes at the drop of a hat, violent custard, that sort of thing?

Dear god don’t bring the french into this.

Theres something profoundly British and deeply satisfying about all of this. Imprtant issues highlighted, raving leftie loonie made to look a tad stupid by loathsome member of the elite after getting thier face ‘pied’ by a non dangerous missile. classic. 1-1 in my books. Still it could’ve been worse, she could’ve done a ‘gordy’ and launched her mobile in his general direction.

I agree with the poster above that Mandelson is an odious little creep but I can’t condone common assault, which is basically what this is.

Tom,
1) It’s used for the same reason that an apostrophe is used in it’s.

2)So then the question becomes why wasn’t he charged with killing someone? After all he was driving the vehicle at excessive speed (must have been excessive or else he would have been able to brake in time; refer back to highway code).

I realise that you won’t know the answer, but an interesting question for the DPP.

On the texting, all that is known for certain is that he wasn’t sending a message at the time of the collision.

Please note, I don’t believe in double jeopardy so don’t think he should be retried.
Be interesting to see the coroners report on the incident.

Tom @ 10.00 am Chris’ Wills (what’s with the apostrophe, by the way?)

I wondered if Chris was deaf and a BSL signer, as I am.

The apostrophe after my name signifies the end movement of the BSL signs for Flo’. The right index finger touches and bounces off the fourth finger of the left hand to form the BSL letter ‘O’

Thank you, Flo’, I didn’t know that.

@Civil
“Anoneumouse, Maybe you missed the European elections 5 years ago, but fear not, they are coming back soon.”

So when did you vote for the EU Commission

The Commission is independent of national governments. Its job is to represent and uphold the interests of the EU as a whole. It is the body the makes European Union laws.

We don’t vote them in and we cant vote them out.

Democratic deficit.

‘They believe they are so right, so noble, so principled that ordinary laws simply do not apply to them.’

Very true Tom.

But does it remind you of anyone ??

He was lucky it was only custard.

Mr Harris,

Universal suffrage is necessary but not sufficient for a healthy democracy. Given the way in which large numbers of votes for the UK parliament are entirely wasted, I suspect if we use “ultimately, you get a vote” as a yardstick of democracy we’re on very thin ice.

We have a political system in which there are a multitude of political parties but only the biggest two matter. How democratic is that?

So that leaves a whole spectrum of democratic activities that need to be nurtured and engaged in between government and the governed.

Let’s start with secretaries of state being elected MPs, shall we? Then we can at least catch up with conventional political practice in the latter 20th century before we move onto the early 21st.

“Lord” Mandelson is unsackable by the electorate. That’s the real democratic issue you should start with.

>I’m mellowing in my old middle age.

You’re not old, you’re the exact same age as me, you just feel old because of the two kids under 5.

Leila Deen is wrong to make contact with Mandy so lets get her arrested, charged and released by the courts, in that order.

I must agree with everyone who asks why an “odious little creep” like Mandelson is in government. If he so wanted to return to the UK government why didn’t he just wait for the next election and try and get elected again?

why arent Plane Stupid protesting in China over China’s plans to build over 50 big airports over the next few years?

Tom

I believe the pattern of your interventions on this thread are informative. Two or three times you defend Lord Ahmed so are clearly agitated by public concerns that he did not receive adequate punishment. But you do not seem moved to comment on the many accusations about Labour not acting in accordance with it’s manifesto, which is more pertinent to the original thread.

As for “They believe they are so right, so noble, so principled that ordinary laws simply do not apply to them. After all, they’re saving the planet — therefore whatever they demand must be conceded. That’s how their logic goes, isn’t it2 This could be a definition of our present government. I doubt this will pass your ‘moderation’ but I repeat what I never got to say on here the other day – MPs of all parties have not got a clue how angry the electorate are with them over tgheir deceipt and fiddls and failures. I do not condone any violent attack but really fear that you have seen nothing yet.

l’m currently of the opinion that if l saw Mary Honeyball MEP http://thehoneyballbuzz.com/ on the streets and l just happened to have a container of custard .. she would be the recipient!

Mary has recently had a lot of activity on her site but has just resorted to editing out peoples comments and questions that don’t agree with her views.

Whilst l can understand editing out abusive comments but these were not abusive. They were questions and comments that just disagreed with her.

Mary it seems wants to preach … and preach alone. Debate is a foreign word to Mary. Does she really think that by editing out comments it helps her cause? Stupid woman.

Whilst l don’t agree with Tom on everything at least he has the bottle to stand his ground. For that he has my respect.

Mary however has lost any respect l had for her but l do have something else for her … currently!

@ threequarks “Why arent Plane Stupid protesting in China over China’s plans to build over 50 big airports over the next few years?”

Surely it’s because they’d need to fly there to protest…

You mean Heathrow’s third runway’s been cancelled? Gosh, must’ve missed that…

No. I mean that politicians such as yourself have taken notice of something you would normally ignore.

Presumably you mean national strikes at the drop of a hat, violent riots, that sort of thing? Yeah, great example to follow.

Got any better ideas? All the talk from Blair and Brown about “listening” is clearly untrue. 80% of people against things like road pricing, id cards and more than that pro an EU referendum. New Labour seem to take 80% disapproval as a benchmark to carry on doing exactly what the people don’t want. How else do you suggest people get them to listen when all the normal means of communication are ignored?

CJ at 2.36 pm: “I believe the pattern of your interventions on this thread are informative. Two or three times you defend Lord Ahmed so are clearly agitated by public concerns that he did not receive adequate punishment.”

CJ, the only reason I responded with regard to Ahmed was simply to clarify a legal point which had been incorrectly stated. I don’t want to open myself to accusations that I allowed such a factual inaccuracy about a recent court case to stand uncorrected.

@threequarks

A Joycean! I knew I’d meet another one one day. ‘Three quarks for Muster Mark…’ You know, Finnegans Wake. No apostrophe, Chris’ Wills, the imperative case, you see?

Ooops. That might be deemed somewhat OT, unlike anything else on this thread.

I agree with what Tom Said most recently. Checks. Blimey, I DO agree.

Gets all enthusiastic, you see that’s where the word ‘auark’ comes from. The physicist who was working on what was to become known as the Standard Model was a Joyce fan and he took the word from Finnegans Wake. That’s how we know that anyone who pronounces it to rhyme with fork or Kirsty Wark is a feckn ignoramus. It rhymes with ‘bark and Mark’ and is the sound that a seagull makes, in the book.

Now, politics…

@ Tom “Ahmed did not kill anyone because of careless driving. He was not jailed for killing anyone – he was jailed for texting while driving during an earlier part of his journey”.

Lord Ahmed’s argument was that although he’d been texting (whilst driving at speeds in excess of 80mph) for 18 minutes prior to the accident he’d stopped looking at his phone 2 minutes before hitting the unfortunate victim.

The prosecution, lacking evidence to the contrary, were not able to contradict his version of events to secure a more harsh sentence.

—–

I don’t know about you, but I find his story strains the bounds of credulity.

Richard – no comment. I find it’s safer not to second guess decisions by courts.

At least the eejit is out of the Labour Party, thank goodness.

Tom

You miss/ignore the point. What have you to say about the manifesto being ignored/rewritten after the election – the facts seem hard to refute? Spend some time answering the difficult questions.
For the record I to find Lord Ahmed’s claims stretch credibility. And why his fellow Lords are not being prosecuted I will never know It does seem like one law for you another for us poor sods. Labour was not meant to be like this.

“What a pity she hasn’t been charged with anything (yet).”

Don’t you mean “he”? As far as I know exposing thousands to illegal levels of pollution is a serious crime.

Still, someone needs to have words with her about crimes to custard production, that definatly wasn’t Birds. Send Delia and an armed responce unit round, she will sort her out.

@ Tom “I find it’s safer not to second guess decisions by courts.”

My concern is that this isn’t the decision of the court, but rather of the CPS (an organisation that hasn’t in recent years fallen over itself to prosecute Labour politicians, even where there are strong indications of wrongdoing).

Agreed though, that you’re well rid of him.

Still, someone needs to have Steve @ 7.19 pm

“someone needs to have words with her about words with her about crimes to custard production, that definatly wasn’t Birds. Send Delia and an armed responce unit round, she will sort her out.”

It wasn’t custard, it was home made green slime. Leila apparently made it at home the previous evening from flour, water and green dye.

I wonder if she presented it to Mandelson with Delia’s immortal words?

“Here’s some slime I made earlier”

@Auntie Flo

Home-made slime is always the best. That stuff that comes out of tins (Grannies Slime, Heinz Slime, and, yes, Baxter’s Slime) is so insipid.

I hope she used plane flour.

Jim @ 10.06

Exactly. I wonder what flavour Leila used…nice, strong garlic? That would serve two purposes, of course.

I thought Mandelson did quite a good job of concealing his face after the slime hit it.

Do you think he’s had practice, Jim? I would think so.

Steve @ 7.19 pm

Woops! Apologies for mangling my 9.36 pm post. I didn’t intend this to state: “Still, someone needs to have Steve @ 7.19 pm”. Messed up my copy of your prior post.

@Auntie Flo’

I can’t think what you mean. You’re not referring to pearls before swine are you?

Apologies to Ray Davies of the Kinks. Bet you don’t post his, Tom.

She stood outside
The climate change conference
Where he drinks champagne
Just like it was ginger ale, la!
L-e-i-l-a, la
L-e-i-l-a, la

He drove up in his
Carbon guzzling jaguar
With his power dressed smile
Til he caught the eye of Leila
L-L-L-L-Leila
L-L-L-L- Leila

Thennnnnnnnnnnnn ah,
Mandy’s smile
Sort of changed…..uh
When he saw Leila

She walked up to him
And she took her chance
He said, “Who…why…wassup?”
She said, I’m Leila
And this is custard, you failure
A c-c-custard halo
From L-L-L-Leila

Well she’s not the world’s
most physical girl
But when she sprayed
Green custard all over Mandy
She said, “Heya!”
“That’s for the third runway, huh!”
From L-L-L-Leila

If you’d not been
a hypocrite, hey
Then Mandy you’d never have
Got in the way of, Leila!
And her custard halo!
C-custard, halo!
C-c-Custard, halo!

She’s gonna go down in history,
For exposing Mandy’s hypocrisy,
Is Leila,
The green custard campaigner
L-L-L-L-L-L-Leila!
L-L-L-L-L-Leila

Far too much time on your hands, Flo’

You’re right, Tom.

Free time, what I was thinking of?

I’ve a governent to keep in luxury. I’ll get back to my office right away!

Okay, but don’t let it happen again.

Leila Deen has been taken into custardy.

@Jim Baxter

Too late now, been using it for a while on the intertubes with spiders.

Not done to change a posting name )

Why is it an imperative case?
I work with some gentlemen whose first name is Chris and it isn’t a shortened form of their full name; so it doesn’t go without saying/marking that it is a shortened form.

Yes, yes it’s silly but I’m keeping it.

@Chris’ Wills.

The whole book is a giant play on many words from man languages, of course. It’s imperative in the sense of ‘Irish Awaken!’, unlike the music hall song from which it takes its title. Tim Finnegan falls from his ladder – The Fall is mentioned throughout the book. There is a line near the beginning which echoes the line in the song when Tim’s supposed corpse is splashed with whisky and he arises saying ‘Souls to the devil, d’ye think I’m dead’. In the book that is distorted to ‘Did ye drink me doornail’. As in ‘dead as a…’

I think I’d better stop there…

@Jim Baxter

So you’ld recommend this Finnegans Wake then?

Is it easier to parse than Ulysses?

@chris’ wills

I wouldn’t say so, no. But don’t take my recommendation. This is what Evelyn Waugh said of it:

‘Utter gibberish’.

Back on topic: ‘Arrest in Mandelson custard probe’.

Whatever you think of the incident, you have to admit that that’s a really unusual headline.

Apparently the custard mildly irrated Mandelson’s face.

Having said that, I’m pretty sure that most people find Mandelson’s face less irritating when it’s covered in custard…

“I WONDER what I would have done in response to being assaulted by Leila Deen? I can’t help feeling I would have been incapable of the admirable restraint shown by Peter Mandelson.”

It wouldn’t happen though, would it, Tom? Because you listen.

If you had Mandelson’s job the first thing you’d do, I believe, would be to engage with those under the flight paths and those facing demolition of their homes.

The problem with the Darlings and Mandelsons of this world is that, for all their power dressing arrogance, they’re basically scared of us lot out here and seem to neither like nor trust us.

Perhaps they’re afraid that if they get too close to us great unwashed we might suss out that they’re just the same as us, no special talent, no charisma, no policies worth having either.

Where’s Mandelson’s blog? Where’s Darling’s?

Jim’s not the only one who has been thinking about the Jarrow marchers recently. I was watching this yesterday evening:

“My name is Geordie McIntyre, An’ the Bairns don’t even have a fire
So the wife says “Geordie,
go to London Town!”
And if they don’t give us half a chance,
Don’t even give us a second glance
Then Geordie, with my blessings, burn them down”

Alan Price – Jarrow Song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlMjSESoz9A&eurl=http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/a/alan_price/jarrow_song.html

@Jim Baxter
Arrest in Mandelson custard probe’

Perhaps he encountered a blockage when he used it.

Sorry, I don’t get that…

@Chris’ Wills,

I wouldn’t get it either if I knew less about things that I wish I’d never heard of.

You are a very, very, bad man.