ACCORDING to received wisdom in the Tory Party, Speaker John Bercow would have no more legitimacy or support in the House of Commons than his predecessor because, like Michael Martin, he is unable to draw support from across both main parties.
It is true that the vote which put Michael Martin in the Speaker’s chair was horribly partisan. I couldn’t find a single Tory MP who voted for him in the final division. That wasn’t a great start, I admit (and incidentally, I wasn’t elected to parliament for another eight months, so I didn’t have a vote).
But this idea that Michael was finally forced out because of that initial vote in 2000 is patently absurd. For the vast majority of the nine years he occupied the position of Speaker, Michael Martin was unassailable. He was re-elected twice, after the 2001 and the 2005 elections, without opposition or even a murmur of dissent.
And although I don’t believe that his most vociferous detractors in the House, like Douglas Carswell, were acting out of snobbery, Michael was on the receiving end of ignorant snobbery throughout his tenure (the nickname "Gorbals Mick" was coined by a journalist who (a) didn’t know and didn’t care that Michael never lived in Gorbals, (b) assumed that an association with Gorbals was in itself offensive, and (c) believed the the use of an offensive and derogatory term for Roman Catholic was somehow acceptable).
What drove Michael out was not the fact that he had no or little support from the Tory opposition when he was first elected as Speaker, but the perception among some that his political judgment on issues such as expenses and Damian Green was poor. Had he handled either or both of these issues differently, there would have been no move to oust him, irrespective of the vote in October 2000.
So if Bercow wins on Monday, he will be judged not on the breakdown of his support (there won’t be one this time anyway, because it’s a secret ballot), but on how he performs in the job.
And I have no doubt that he is well up to doing such a crucial job with immaculate skill. As Jonathan Isaby has said, Bercow is a parliamentarian to his fingertips. He knows procedure, has a remarkable capacity for retaining facts, would be a master of procedure, and is friendly and capable. He is also an honest and principled man who will be unafraid of leading reform where it’s needed.
So irrespective of how certain Tories will want to speculate about how much support he actually wins, Speaker Bercow would be difficult to undermine, provided he does the job he’s elected to do.
Whether he does actually win or not… ah, there’s the rub. Monday will be very, very interesting, and I’m looking forward to it.














Saturday 20 June 2009 at 2:02 pm
Isn’t Bercow too young?
Born in 1963, so that makes him just 46; so if he retired at 65 (not that MPs have to retire of course) he could be speaker for 19 years or more.
Are speakers allowed to retire and return to the back benches?
Rather a long time and not good for parliament.
Perhaps speakers should be limited to two terms, then return to the back benches.
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 2:05 pm
In his personal manifesto, John has promised to serve no more than nine years, or two parliaments.
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 3:44 pm
Fair enough.
Write it into his contract though, MPs aren’t very honourable.
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Oh, congratulations on your forthcoming payrise. Seemes you’ll get 10% to 15% hike on your £64,766 basic if Bill Cockburn, head of the Senior Salaries Review Body gets his way.
I know you think that you are underpaid, with such a small basic and only £150,000+ expenses, so you’ll be happier.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6534773.ece
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 3:57 pm
http://orderorder.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/bercow-rangers.jpg?w=480&h=312
Just the sort of person we need as a speaker!
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 4:39 pm
Tom,
The lack of support across the House was not the reason Martin was forced from office, but it set an awful tone for his Speakership. Rightly or wrongly, he never won the respect of the Opposition because he was viewed as a Labour plant, given the job by the whips for partisan advantage. It took remarkable mistakes to actually unseat him, but he was hampered from the very start.
Support from all sides of the House should absolutely be a criterion in choosing the Speaker, and although I don’t think many Tories have given any good reasons why they would oppose him being elected, Bercow no more has cross-party support than Field did.
The fact is the Speaker is like Caesar’s wife: s/he has to be *seen* to be beyond reproach. I have no doubt Bercow would actually be a very good Speaker for the reasons you give, but not having any Conservative support will hamper him by lingering question marks over true legitimacy, even if it doesn’t bring him down.
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 5:13 pm
I note that the election will be a sort of AV process (but with extra ballots rather than preferences, rather in the French mode) until someone gets 50%.
Good enough for the election of a Speaker but not for MPs eh?! Poor old Roy Jenkins, poor old Paddy Ashdown…
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 5:25 pm
Well, I hope he wins it – as a Conservative, I’ve observed a malign streak from somewhere within the party towards John that has operated for some years now and it’s a malign force which never properly articulates they reasons. The best some have come up with is that he has undergone a political journey from right-winger to a more centrist political stance because of his wife. Mmm.
Well, if it’s Beckett everyone will be pissed off. Better watch she doesn’t get it because of all this bitching about the other candidates.
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 5:26 pm
He certainly knew how to master the procedure for ‘flipping’ to avoid CGT, as today’s Telegraph helpfully explains. If he’s elected as Speaker I think that it will seem to many members of the public that MPs continue not to appreciate the degree of anger the scandal has caused.
(I’m having trouble coming to grips with the £400 a month claimable for food given that we already subsidise the eateries in the Commons. Some MPs have claimed £4800 in one year which looks awfully like 12 x £400 despite the fact that Parliament is in recess for almost five months of the year.)
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 5:29 pm
Tom, could give me one reason why John Bercow would be a better speaker than Sir Alan Haselhurst? I suspect you will have to think very hard.
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 5:33 pm
Has Alan Haselhurst *any* record as a reformist? I remember him recently in the debate about letting the UK Youth Parliament sit in the Commons chamber – in which, I believe, John Bercow spoke to support permitting it – refusing to let Graham Allen speak because he wasn’t wearing a tie.
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 5:33 pm
As you know, Iain, until recently i was of the view that if Michael retired before the next election, I would favour Sir Alan. And if he wins on Monday, as you predict, I think he’ll be very good.
But given how serious the situation and public anger at the Commons, I don’t think a Tory grandee could be seen as the establishment re-asserting itself.
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 5:37 pm
Tom, Alan is hardly part of the establishment. He had never taken ministerial office. I agree there is public anger at the Commons, but I fail to see how electing someone who does not have the confidence of 99% of Tory MPs will have any effect on that. We know he can do the job because we have seen him do it. He commands respect across the House. Yes, he was caught up in the expenses issue, but his “offence” was not as serious as many others, including Mr Bercow.
In the end, surely the best man should get the job. And I think in your heart of hearts you also believe like me that Alan would do a better job than John bercow. And for this reason I hold out hope that at the last minute you will see sense and vote accordingly!
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 5:54 pm
What’s the Labour majority now, 62? So if we assume Bercow gets good support from there, and the LibDems, it wouldn’t take many tory votes to swing it. As I mentioned earlier, there is a malign segment who take a more than passing dislike to Bercow – but I don’t believe that it’s the majority, or even a large sectional view within the Conservative PP. Despite the latest BetFair numbers, I still think Bercow will get it.
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 5:58 pm
Mr Plain-Speaking Tom Harris #1
‘but the perception among some that his (Martin’s) political judgment on issues such as expenses and Damian Green was poor.’
How about *your* perception, Tom?
Are you frightened a big boy will come and hit you?
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Mr Plain-Speaking Tom Harris #2
‘He (Bercow) is also an honest and principled man.’
Yes, so honest and principled he has voluntarily paid back £1,470.62 of expenses (and counting).
Anyhow Granny Beckett and George Young currently sitting ahead of Bercow in the betting.
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 6:24 pm
“Yes, so honest and principled he has voluntarily paid back £1,470.62 of expenses (and counting)”
This ‘principled’ man has apparently also felt the need to repay £6,5000 in CGT he avoided by flipping his houses.
I guess these days in the commons the word principled means ‘found out’.
If the commons elects someone like bercow or beckett who’ve been pigging out on the expenses then the public will assume that the only thing the commons regret is being caught and they’re going to come up with some new way of inserting their snouts into the taxpayers money.
And the last pathetic shreds of parliament’s dignity and credibility will disappear into the gutter.
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 6:30 pm
I’m struggling to understand why MPs don’t seem that keen on Parmjit Dhanda. He seems to be the candidate who would make a real impact that even voters who don’t pay attention (that’ll be most of them) can appreciate. On the Newsnight hustings the other day, the conviction with which he spoke put him head and shoulders above the rest.
Another thing I don’t understand is why the Tories don’t like John Bercow. I’ve read things like ‘wah wah wah his wife’s a socialist’ and ‘but he’s practically a Labour MP’ but never anything substantive.
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 8:11 pm
kb
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 6:24 pm
“Yes, so honest and principled he has voluntarily paid back £1,470.62 of expenses (and counting)”
This ‘principled’ man has apparently also felt the need to repay £6,5000 in CGT he avoided by flipping his houses
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Ok so that’s £7,970.62 (and counting).
Well I do always say, ‘a principle’s not a principle ’til it costs you money’.
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 9:05 pm
The next Speaker cannot be Bercow for a number of reasons.
First and foremost, the public have quite clearly shouted on BBC’s recent Have Your Say:
We want Widdy – because she’s the only Speaker we wil trust. Literally hundreds of postings backed Widdy, almost no one backed Bercow or any of the others.
Even Labour and Lib Dem supporters said this, Tom.
MPs may not like the idea of Widdy being Speaker because she won’t stand for any old nonsense: but that’s why we, the people, trust her.
MPs, Widdy is the people’s princess. Ignore the voice of the people at your peril, Widdy will restore confidence as no one else could do at this time.
Elect Bercow or anyone else and there’ll be hell to pay for it.
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 9:43 pm
BBC’s Have Your Say
Who should be the next Commons Speaker?
Most recomended posts in order of most
votes, first 4 pages:
1. ANN WIDDECOMBE
2. Ms Widdecombe.
3. Pigs voting for the next “Troughmaster
4. Frank Field
5. Ann Widdecombe
6. No choice
7. No one from the Labour party
8. No choice
9. Beckett Bercow
10. Joanna Lumley
11. Ann Widdicombe
12. Ann Widdicombe
13. John Mann
14. Ann Widdicombe
15. Ann Widdecombe would be tremendous
16. Ann Widdecombe.
17. Anne Widdecombe
18. one with integrity
19. Anne Widdicombe – she rocks!
20. No choice
21. Ann Widdecombe
22. Anne Widdecombe would be outstanding
23. Ann Widdecombe
24. Ann Widdecombe
25. Anne Widdecombe
26. Ann Widdecombe
27. Ann Widdecombe
28. Not Bercow, Beith,Widecomme or Field
29. Anne Widdecombe
30. Ann Widdicombe
31.Anne Widdecombe
32. someone that isn’t an MP
33. No choice
34. Anne Widdecombe
35. Frank Field.
36. Ann Widdecombe please
37. Ann Widdecombe
38. Anne Widdecombe, I am a socialist!
39. Ann Widdecombe
40. Frank Field
41. Ann Widdecombe
42. not be Sir Alan Haselhurst
43. Anne Widdecombe any day
44. Ann Widdecombe
45.Frank Field
46.Ann Widdecombe!
47.Ann Widdecombe
48.Anne Widdecombe
49. Mr Martin did a good job.
50.Ann Widdecombe
51. Ann Widdecombe
52. No choice
53. Ann Widdecombe
54. Ann Widdecombe
55.Ann Widdecombe
56.Ann Widdecombe
57.Anne Widdecombe
58.Ann Widdecombe
59. Get rid of of parliament
60.Ann Widdecombe
61.Ann Widdecombe
Postings that made choice: 49
Postings for Ann Widdecome: 40
There are 81 pages of this, all with a clear
majority for Ann Widdecombe.
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&forumID=6608&start=1200&tstart=0&edition=1&ttl=20090620210744#paginator
I rest my case, Widdy for Speaker!
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 10:16 pm
Honest? You are in for a shock.
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 10:29 pm
Anne Widdecombe voted in favour of exempting MP’s from the FOI Act. I don’t think any of the candidates are untainted. The Press are probably going to do a hatchet job on whoever gets elected anyway. Quite right too.
We are now in the position where Iranian Ayatollahs mock us because our Politicians and Parliament are “swamped in a sea of corruption”. Then Brown has the cheek to start lecturing them about Police violence and electoral fraud. Pretty rich given recent events over here. We are a laughing stock in Europe and a bunch of spivs is about to elect a Speaker selected from amongst themselves. Surely this farce can’t go on, something has got to give soon.
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 10:53 pm
@Flo’9.05 – Hear, hear!
Iain Dale says that Alan Hazelhurst is less culpable than others, although I’m not sure why. I’m certainly offended by his claim for gardening expenses at his home in Essex (quite obviously his main home but designated as his second home) of £249 per month which is £1 short of the amount that requires a receipt. To me that’s every bit as cynical an exploitation of The Rules as John Bercow’s flipping.
Expenses claimed by Widdy, on the other hand, are as unassuming and transparent as the woman herself. She seems to be one of a few: an MP of many years’ standing who has kept her integrity.
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 11:09 pm
“Monday will be very, very interesting, and I’m looking forward to it.”
Why, is Obama Beach going to hand his notice in? “I’m sorry it’s taken me until now to realise that no-one likes me and no-one wants me. I’m off to cry to the Guardian about how all those people whose lives have been destroyed by my policies are being mean to me”
No? Well, a guy can dream can’t he?
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 11:31 pm
The only thing “dishonest” about this thread is your censoring comments that attack the absolute rubbish you’re posting about Michael Martin.
I’d say you were “mistaken” when you argue that criticism of him was all about class and other such nonsense, but since every single attack on him by both the media and bloggers has revolved around his clearly partisan nature rather than anything to do with class you’re being disingenuous at best and disgraceful at worst.
I mean, how unhelpful and potentially dangerous is it to continually peddle class warfare? Do you really see a benefit for society to divide further along class lines and develop a hatred for all sides?
I really see no difference between this and deliberately misleading cries of racism and the dangerous effects thereof.
If there are any problems between any group of people and their class it should be confronted head on for the unacceptable behaviour that it is. To cry it when you know it’s not true is a disgrace.
Someone in your position should know better than to even try and fan the flames of such nonsense. Oh wait, you’re a Labour MP. Never mind.
Censor away.
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 11:38 pm
John
Explain to me how the term “Gorbals Mick” is in any way not snobbery. Don’t bore me with all your other obsessively weird “hatreds” of Michael Martin for crimes against neutrality or whatever – just explain why it is not snobbish to describe anyone as “Gorbals Mick”.
Saturday 20 June 2009 at 11:43 pm
Agree with you 100% Tom about John Bercow being the best choice. Haslehurst is too old and old school to be credible and its clear he doesnt have the votes to win. The choice is between Beckett and Bercow. Incidentally I know John has support on the Tory benches from several MPs but in light of Camerons line that he doesnt want him many are afraid to come out for him in case it costs them their careers in a Conservative Government.
I am struck by the lack of good arguments against John by the Conservatives (and I speak as one). It all seems so nasty and spiteful – why do they want a 3rd Labour Speaker? Its makes no sense at all and is a poor reflection on their maturity. John’s independent spirit is a just what we need from the new Speaker
Sunday 21 June 2009 at 12:01 am
Explain to me how the term “Gorbals Mick” is in any way not snobbery.
You’re right. Now explain to me how that term applies to the majority of the criticism towards him that you continually bleat on about.
Little sticks in my craw as much as patently false claims of discrimination. People try it with Gordon Brown too. The reason he’s so hated is because he’s Scottish apparently.
Michael Martin wasn’t targeted because he was “working class” or because he’s a Scot, and the sooner such nonsense is debunked, and debunked for every such frivolous claim of discrimination, the better for everyone.
I do agree that there was an element of the class nonsense from certain Tory circles, but that doesn’t hold for everyone or even the majority.
I’ve lost count of the times i’ve watched Michael Martin preside over HOC events with my mouth open, and it has nothing to do with his roots or social standing.
Sunday 21 June 2009 at 12:16 am
“Now explain to me how that term applies to the majority of the criticism towards him that you continually bleat on about.”
I have never said that the majority of criticism aimed at Michael Martin was based on snobbery – I said he was subject to it during his tenure as Speaker but I never said that was the whole story, or even the main part of it. You’re building a straw man here so why don’t you calm down and go lie down in a dark room or finish your homework before Monday or something.
Sunday 21 June 2009 at 12:31 am
I’m not sure if this is the only story that will come to light, but it should be damaging nonetheless, Bercow wants MPs’ pay to be raised to £100,000! More than the wacky number a committee raved about. Absolutely mad. Is this how he wins the public’s trust?
Sunday 21 June 2009 at 12:36 am
Auntie Flo’ – it’s not that I don’t like the commenters on the BBC’s Have Your Say, but I would be failing in my duty if I didn’t balance your posting of their opinions with this link (a kind of greatest hits…well worth a read):
http://www.ifyoulikeitsomuchwhydontyougolivethere.com
Sunday 21 June 2009 at 2:12 am
Auntie Flo’
Put me down for Joanna Lumley/anyone who isn’t an MP, as well…
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/news/Candidates-surprised-Speaker-bid/article-1072731-detail/article.html?cacheBust=93wG4kP8j918&success=true#community
Sunday 21 June 2009 at 8:27 am
Tom,
Any view on the latest revelations on expenses of two of the candidates – Beckett and Bercow ?
You are voting for a destructive candidate and yet, you still won’t print why you think we need Bercow as a speaker.
The public are telling you he will be a disaster. Whilst I admit this will cause the Tories despair, for heavens sake, will you put the country first rather than New Labour.
Martin had to go because he was incompetent. He was from day one and the country knew it. There were a massive amount of people wanting him to go but Westminster ignored the anger. Bercow, we believe, will be as bad.
If that fear turns out to be true people will be asking about your vote, Tom. Why on earth did you saddle us with a bad speaker – just for a chortle in the Commons ?
Sunday 21 June 2009 at 10:54 am
Oh look, Tom!
See what I stumbled upon recently . . .
Parmjit Dhanda, the Labour MP, over-claimed on his second home allowance on at least two occasions, charging taxpayers more for mortgage interest than he was charged by his lender — an apparently clear breach of Commons rules. Mr Dhanda said he under-claimed on other occasions.
Is he STILL your first choice for Mr Speaker then?
Sunday 21 June 2009 at 11:09 am
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2009/06/the-mood-of-the-parliamentary-conservative-party.html#comment-6a00d83451b31c69e2011571391e8b970b
The grim mood of the Parliamentary Conservative Party
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: David Cameron has handled the whole expenses saga very well. He has understood public anger and he has forced the MPs guilty of the most unacceptable behaviour to stand down. His clarity of purpose has contrasted hugely with Gordon Brown’s dithering response. Since expenses-gate broke the Conservatives have not lost their opinion poll lead and remain on course for a historic general election victory.
But there is a but and it’s a big but. The Parliamentary Conservative Party is very unhappy. The anoymous letter earlier this week was one sign of discontent. David Cameron got another taste of his MPs’ anger when he addressed them all on Wednesday. In terms of electoral politics this discontent may not matter much for now. Cameron will continue to command public support for the most draconian action against MPs. “He could shoot us all and the public wouldn’t think it enough,” one joked. But MPs have long memories and Cameron will need their support in tougher times. The gallows humour going around the Commons tea room is that MPs have gone from lobby fodder to cannon fodder.
“I don’t need to have behaved illegally or immorally to see my career end in humiliation. Cameron would throw me overboard without a moment’s hesitation,” one MP said. “But,” he continued, “he’ll need us to be loyal to him one day but he’s not showing much loyalty to us.”
Sunday 21 June 2009 at 11:26 am
David Jones MP doesn’t think Michael Martin was the victim of snobbery on the part of MPs either:
http://davidjonesblog.com/2009/06/21/martin-was-not-brought-down-by-snobbery/
Sunday 21 June 2009 at 12:08 pm
I have never said that the majority of criticism aimed at Michael Martin was based on snobbery – I said he was subject to it during his tenure as Speaker but I never said that was the whole story, or even the main part of it. You’re building a straw man here so why don’t you calm down and go lie down in a dark room or finish your homework before Monday or something.
Then you’re comments don’t make any sense Tom.
Explain to me how the term “Gorbals Mick” is in any way not snobbery……..– just explain why it is not snobbish to describe anyone as “Gorbals Mick”.
Doug Carswell uses the term regularly over at his blog in his attacks on Michael Martin, and you’ve already absolved him of any claim of acting through snobbery.
You then say:
For the vast majority of the nine years he occupied the position of Speaker, Michael Martin was unassailable
Closely followed with:
Michael was on the receiving end of ignorant snobbery throughout his tenure
So if he’s “unassailable” the “vast majority” of the time, yet on the receiving end of “ignorant snobbery” “throughout his tenure” you’re clearly saying that the majority of the attacks on him were class based, which even you’ve just admitted is untrue?
More back-pedalling than a chimp on a unicycle! (Not trying to be offensive, just trying to be jovial. The tone of my earlier message was unacceptable and I apologise – it wasn’t nice for me to come across like that and if you ever met me you’d see that there isn’t a bit of malice in me, so I dislike coming across like that, even online to someone i’ve never met.
There’s probably something Freudian in this, but I actually feel a bit guilty after reading back my earlier message.
In all fairness despite never meeting you you have taken the time to engage my ramblings on a number of occasions over the last year, and you don’t deserve to be spoken to like that. Please accept my apologies, they are very genuine.
PS: I still disagree with you on this issue and probably always will, but please be assured that there will never be any malice in anything I post towards you.
Sunday 21 June 2009 at 1:38 pm
Tom, the final part of your last reply to John was rather unnecessary, don’t you think?
If posters are rude about you, then because it’s your blog, you can censor them.
Posters do not have that facility, so isn’t it appropriate to exercise some forebearance in dealing with those you consider, I’m sure often with every justification, tiresome?
Just a thought!
Sunday 21 June 2009 at 4:25 pm
Ah, Bercow wants MPs to be paid £100,000 a year basic, is that why you’re backing him Tom?
Plus you’ll need, of course, to top it up with expenses; can’t be spending your basic salary now.
Try explaining why you deserve £100,000/year to the people of Glasgow South.
Sunday 21 June 2009 at 7:18 pm
Triffid
Why is Bercow a destructive candidate? Explain yourself please..dont just publish spiteful remarks with no back up. I have known him for 25 years and I wouldnt use that description at all.
Sunday 21 June 2009 at 7:26 pm
I fully expect Margaret Beckett to win, primarily because she’s a member of the Labour party being elected by a majority Labour parliament.
3rd Labour speaker in a row. Gosh, what a surprise.
Sunday 21 June 2009 at 8:11 pm
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Sunday 21 June 2009 at 9:54 pm
Well, I venture to suggest whomever becomes Speaker will last in the job for under a year and will be replaced.
The public despise politicians : and quite rightly. MPs do not seem to reliase how serious the situation is. I suggest the next Speaker may very well exacerbate the situation.
(Note: I do not say “will”exacerbate. I also say “do not seem to realise”).
Personally I think the whole setup needs root and branch reform to bring it kicking and screaming inot th 21st century. At present it’s a mixup between a club for criminals and eccentrics..with a few honest ones sprinkled in for good measure. And it achieves nothing…)
Sunday 21 June 2009 at 10:51 pm
Ahh I see the whips are out. Are you sticking to your guns Tom, or will you do as your Great Leader commands and vote Beckett?
Actually it’s a secret ballot so that’s none of my business. Just ensure it’s none of the whips business either.
Monday 22 June 2009 at 9:36 am
Voice of Reason: “Why is Bercow a destructive candidate? Explain yourself please..dont just publish spiteful remarks with no back up.”
Any candidate that splits the house down partisan lines (again) is destructive. The Commons will cease to work effectively if a candidate is installed by the Governing party and the wishes of the minority are ignored. How the commons is expected to reform itself when the chair is hated by the opposition I really don’t know. At to that the distrust the people have of him (from expenses claims).
Incidentally, I’ve been saying the same thing since Tom said he was voting for Bercow. I haven’t bothered to continue repeating myself as was hoping Tom may actually say why he thinks Bercow the best man for the job.
Monday 22 June 2009 at 10:05 am
Triffid – Sorry you missed the third last paragraph of the post you’re actually commenting on. Maybe you can ask a grown up to read it out to you?
Monday 22 June 2009 at 10:37 am
‘Maybe you can ask a grown up to read it out to you?’
Now Tom, you might not have noticed but you have already been taken to task for implying that some members of the Tommentariat are infantile. Next you’ll be calling them ‘berks’ or ‘pillocks’ and this hitherto highly civilised blog will cease to be distinguishable from order-order innit.
What? Oh, you had noticed, you dont give a… What? Oh dear.
OK, ok big man, your blog.
Monday 22 June 2009 at 11:33 am
Tom Harris “Triffid – Sorry you missed the third last paragraph of the post you’re actually commenting on. Maybe you can ask a grown up to read it out to you?”
Ignoring the last sentence – too funny.
However, Tom, I asked why you felt “he was the best man for the job”. Your third paragraph surely is reasons why he should be a candidate BUT does not say why he’s the best man unless others don’t meet that criteria.
Now I kind of assumed that the Commons viewed all the candidates were “honest and principled”. Perhaps a bad assumption. Obviously so if that is his distinguishing feature.
Are you saying it’s because he knows procedure better than, say, Haselhurst ? Big statement.
Is it because of both these attributes balanced together ? Again, there are other candidates who could be viewed strongly, if not more so.
From your third from last paragraph are you saying that none of the other candidates have all these attributes ?
I asked “Best man”, Tom, not why should he be a candidate. Fairly big difference.
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