SOCIALISM.
There, I’ve said it.
But what is a socialist? Believe it or not, in the 1980s, when I first joined the Labour Party, this was a question that comrades actually used to discuss seriously, earnestly and regularly. And in every local party there was never a shortage of individuals who took it upon themselves to judge which of their colleagues were and were not socialists.
Tony Benn, the font of all knowledge when it came to judging other people’s principles, once said that the Labour Party wasn’t a socialist party, although there were socialists in it, just as the church wasn’t Christian, although there were Christians in it. This struck a chord with me, because, as a young Christian in an evangelical church, I had all too often fallen into the trap of deciding whether others were “proper” born-again Christians or, as my friends and I very patronisingly caled them, “nominal” Christians. Essentially, if other people hadn’t shared in exactly the same spiritual experience that we had, then their faith was inferior to ours.
So yes — in response to that muffled comment from the back — I was even more arrogant and insufferable then than I am now.
I’ve since reconciled myself to the truth that it’s not up to anyone else to judge my own relationship with God, just as it’s not up to me to judge anyone else’s. As I’ve said on this blog before, I’ve always been a rubbish Christian anyway.
So what is it with the church and the political Left that it attracts people only too keen to judge others’ beliefs? I guess it comes from the fact that both Christianity (and any other religion) and socialism are based on faith — faith in God or, in socialism’s case, faith in the basic good of mankind, in moral absolutes and in economic concepts. Once those beliefs are codified and acknowledged as The Truth, it becomes easy to identify those who stray from the One True Path.
The political Right is blissfully unencumbered by such rule books, preferring a more pragmatic approach to politics.
And even today, 15 years after the advent of New Labour, there are still those in my party who like to obsess about the “socialist” label. Among some, it is undoubtedly a cause of some resentment that it was Tony Blair who first inserted the word “socialist” in the party’s constitution, thereby redefining it in a broader, vaguer but more inclusive sense.
So the question is: do I consider myself a socialist? Yes, I suppose I do, but there are plenty of others who wouldn’t agree with that description of me. And maybe they’re right. Whatever.
Same goes for me describing myself as a Christian.
But if judging others’ definitions of themselves is your “thing”, who am I to tell you what to do?














Friday 10 July 2009 at 1:43 pm
What is a socialist? One who has yearnings
For equal division of unequal earnings.
Idler or bungler or both he is willing
To fork out his sixpence, and pocket your shilling.
Actually, in the original the fourth word was “communist”. Nonetheless, it sums it up perfectly…
Friday 10 July 2009 at 1:48 pm
Tom
I take the same view as you about faith, its nobody’s business to assess your closeness to God.
But in reality its the policies that matter. Labels like socialist/neo-con/liberal are all irrelevant!
I couldn’t care less if Tony Blair called himself a socialist or a 1-eyed Martian, its the fact he mislead the British parliament and country into an illegal and disastrous war that irks me. Its the fact New Labour want to lock people up for 42 (in fact 90) days without trial! Its fact New Labour stop SFO inquiries into arms deals!
No, you can label a person anything you like, its their deeds that matter…..come to think of it thats not so far away from Christianity as I first thought!
Friday 10 July 2009 at 1:49 pm
I had the misfortune to share a flat at uni with a self-described ‘communist’.
When it came to buying an illicit substance by the ‘quart’ and selling it by the quarter ounce, oh he was a capitalist alright.
Orwell had it right – the pigs always but always end up standing on two trotters.
You only have to look at the Labour Sorry New Labour cabinet to see that.
There are no socialists now, no good anyone kidding themselves otherwise.
Friday 10 July 2009 at 1:53 pm
The two things do not equate. Religious belief is unavoidably internal, whereas socialism is political – it’s about how we relate to each other and the decisions we take together. As a socialist, it is in my interests to decide if your beliefs are compatible with mine because we both wanting to bring about a certain kind of society.
Friday 10 July 2009 at 1:56 pm
By way of example: you wouldn’t want the BNP claiming that they were a moderate centre-left party, basically the same as New Labour. Similarly, I don’t want someone who takes shots at single mums in the Daily Mail claiming to be a socialist.
Friday 10 July 2009 at 1:59 pm
Don’t you? Gosh, Andrew, if only I’d known you didn’t want me to describe myself as a socialist, because obviously I wouldn’t have done so.
Friday 10 July 2009 at 2:06 pm
To the sainted Margaret Thatcher “socialist” was the worse insult. I can recall the venomous way she’d spit the word out.
Her objective was to lump the Labour party in with all those charming “socialists” in places such as East Germany and the USSR.
It’s a rubbish label!
Friday 10 July 2009 at 2:06 pm
A socialist is one who thinks he can spend your money better than you can.so they take as much off you as they can.
Like big government telling you what to do and how to live your life.
the same rules of course do not apply to them.
They no nothing of earning wealth only spending it.
Its what we have all had to put up with for the last 12 years.
Most socialists have never had a real job where they have to earn money most are employed by the state or have a guilty counsious.
Friday 10 July 2009 at 2:20 pm
Sigh. Comes out of retirement for one last job.
Great post Tom. I mean it. No, really. Funny how the more you insist the less people believe you. Oh well. That’s up to them. Anyway, I mean it.
We are all the same. All of us. That’s not faith, it’s not religion. it’s quantum physics. It’s good news and it’s bad news. I am Noel Edmonds, as are you. That’s the bad news. It doesn’t get much worse. But we are also Michelle Pfeiffer. Every cloud, you see…?
Friday 10 July 2009 at 2:23 pm
Jim, I’m taking you off the air, I think you’re having a breakdown.
This is not a psychotic episode, this is a moment of cleansing clarity…
Hat-tip to William Holden and Peter Finch.
Friday 10 July 2009 at 2:31 pm
If socialism really does requires a basic faith in the goodness of mankind then why does it rely on compulsion to achieve so many of its aims?
I would suggest that the constant streams of legeslation designed to direct and hector the population in the direction that you and your socialist collegues in government want us to go would show that you have almost no faith in the people.
Surely the belief that if the government gets out of the way people will work things out for themselves shows much more faith in the people?
Socialism just requires faith in your own self righteousness
Friday 10 July 2009 at 3:22 pm
What is a socialist? For me, a socialist is someone who believes in high taxes and the state as a redistributer of wealth from the rich to the poor.
I guess technically, Obama Beach isn’t a socialist because he doesn’t redistribute wealth. On a calculation that taxing the rich correctly to pay for poor would result in losing election, he chose to take some from the rich, borrow yet more and then give it all to the poor. Hey presto, twin goals of keeping the rich happy whilst hosing money at the poor is accomplished. Unfortunately, we’re getting to the point where we can’t borrow any more and the whole thing is falling apart.
Friday 10 July 2009 at 3:23 pm
Relax. It’s not a political left or right thing, it’s just becoming older and wiser. There are pragmatic lefties too – as well as political fundamentalists on the right. Glad to hear your Christian faith is still strong though.
Friday 10 July 2009 at 4:02 pm
Why does it matter whether you think you’re a socialist or not? It’s so broad a term that it’s not going to be particularly illustrative to anyone who wants know which ideals guide your decision making. The word ’socialist’ could be used to refer to anyone from Stalin to Tony Blair – two people who bear almost no simillarities to each other.
Friday 10 July 2009 at 4:23 pm
The right are just as guilty of judging people by their own standards. Rightwingers habitually denounce as unpatriotic anyone who doesn’t agree entirely with their own views, and the Thatcher government had it’s own loyalty tests.
Friday 10 July 2009 at 4:39 pm
Tom, very thought-provoking post. As a Christian and definitely not a socialist, I am intrigued by your comparison about Christianity and socialism both being underpinned by faith. By the sounds of it, what you’ve described is two mutually incompatible beliefs – the Bible teaches that man is fallen, whereas socialism teaches (broadly) that man is fundamentally good. Is that fair to say? I know many great Christian Labour members, so I know the two aren’t incompatible, but curious to know your thoughts…
Friday 10 July 2009 at 5:09 pm
As a Christian and a socialist I have to agree with you, Tom. You’re spot on saying those on the left tend to judge others’ beliefs. I’m guilty of that from time to time, but never with my own party. I tend to judge Conservatives (and those on the right in general) as being a simple bunch who lack any morals.
My bet is a lot of socialists think of those on the right as being inferior to those on the left. Just as many on the right think of the left as being morally bankrupt and only care about taxing the population and getting close to the ‘political correctness lobby’.
Friday 10 July 2009 at 5:42 pm
“I’ve since reconciled myself to the truth that it’s not up to anyone else to judge my own relationship with God, just as it’s not up to me to judge anyone else’s.”
I don’t know if this was inspired by my comments on “Afghanistan is about the fight against fascism,” but the point I was trying to get across was that, rather than judge you, I wanted you to understand the situation as I see it.
Aren’t we commanded to edify each other in the truth?
I was angry. What normal person wouldn’t be with such goings on, although you didn’t express any regret for such unchristian behaviour.
If socialism means “faith in the basic good of mankind, in moral absolutes and in economic concepts” then New Labour is definitely not socialist.
But it is, albeit a degenerate, all-controlling variety, because your definition is wrong.
“Faith in the basic good of mankind”
Then why are we being systematically monitored? Why are people more likely to be presumed guilty until proven innocent? Why are you allowing the Mansour family to be treated worse than dogs?
“Moral absolutes”
Hardly. New Labour stands for replacing absolute moral values with its own bizarre notions of right and wrong.
“Economic concepts”
Robin Hood understood these too. New Labour is different in that many of the rich have become poorer, but the poor haven’t gained as a result.
Right and left mean nothing; they are labels designed to con the public into playing one team off against the other.
It is far healthier to think in terms of right and wrong, don’t you think?
Friday 10 July 2009 at 5:51 pm
“The political Right is blissfully unencumbered by such rule books, preferring a more pragmatic approach to politics.”
Nah, the political Right has its own rule books – look at the Republicans who denounce their moderates as ‘RINOs’ (Republicans in Name Only), or the fights over Europe in the Tory Party in the 1990s.
I agree it’s not a very helpful approach, though.
Friday 10 July 2009 at 6:33 pm
Both socialism and religion are concepts which attempt to coral mass thought and behaviour into clearly delineated pens.
Autocracy is another name for these activities.
Fortunately, both are far less prevalent than before and will soon pass into history.
Friday 10 July 2009 at 6:39 pm
As Paul says, a very thought-provoking post. Christianity and socialism have a lot of common ground, particularly a belief in equality and essential goodness. Christian socialists formed the backbone of the early Labour movement.
I would disagree that the Right tend to be pragmatic, though. They can just as often be dogmatic and mythologise themselves (for instance, the selective memory they have about Mrs Thatcher), and demonise their opponents when they can’t summon up a rational argument.
Friday 10 July 2009 at 7:43 pm
If socialism is FAITH in certain ideals, i would propose that conservatism is TRUST in certain ideals.
Faith is a concept of believing in something without an evidential basis. These things may not be true, they may not work very well but never-the-less people have faith in them. I would ascribe this word to both the Labour Party and to belief in God.
Trust is a concept of believing in something based on evidence and experience. We believe in free and open markets because it is the only thing that has ever generated significant wealth; the only thing that has been shown to improve the quality of life for the masses and is the most fair way of distributing wealth. We believe in the individual over the state because time and again they demonstrate that they can make better decision for themselves and their family than bureaucrats and politicians. We believe in the basic good of these people because we experience the kindness and altruism of good people everywhere on a daily basis. Our politics are generates by our experience; our experiences generate a trust in these political principle; and these political principle generate a pragmatism that propels mankind to ever higher levels of achievement.
Friday 10 July 2009 at 10:51 pm
Socialism, care for one another, equality, sharing with one another for a common purpose, Marx, Engels, Lenin.
Christianity, care for one another, equality, sharing with one another for a common purpose, Jesus, Peter, Paul.
Both were corrupted beyond recognition.
The early church in the Acts of the Apostles, sharing with one another and working to a common goal, based on the teachings of their founder Jesus. By the 5th century AD it had become the church of Rome with priviledge and persecution, the pope and his priesthood and their victims.
The same thing happened with socialism, what started as an ideal became in a much shorter time the soviet block with Stalin and his ‘priests’.
Socialism is now a dirty word, Thatcher made sure of that.
I wonder why Gordon Brown left the Communist Party?
Saturday 11 July 2009 at 12:21 am
As far as i am concerned, Socialism is all about equality and equal opportunities, liberty and preserving basic human rights, arguably things that New Labour have legislated against. These are IMO things which go against the grain of organised religion too.
Saturday 11 July 2009 at 1:08 am
Socialism: The belief that the concentration of power and wealth amongst a small segment of society that can happen under capitalism should be fixed by concentrating power and wealth in a small elite who will tell everyone how to behave.
Saturday 11 July 2009 at 11:31 am
We needed socialism when the alternative was slavery and the vicious grinding down of the poor.
We’ve grown out of that phase now.
We needed religion before there was science and rationality, and the frightened masses hungered for explanations of the fearsome powers of nature which ordered their lives.
We’ve grown out of that phase now, too.
Saturday 11 July 2009 at 1:35 pm
Immanual Kant made a distinction between the Christian Religion, by which he meant the Church and the religion of Christ and he thought that the former had precious little to do with the latter. Something to do with human greed and lust for power.
WRT socialism, during the expenses scandal, Orwell’s Animal Farm sprang to my mind.
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