QUITE a lot of condemnation in the comments to the last post (I’m still surprised at how much bile is injected into these comments by people who would clearly never use such language in polite company, but hey — that’s the internet for you) about the prospects of Jack Dromey becoming an MP.
“Outrageous nepotism”, seems to be the conclusion for most hate-mongers of the Right. Yet when they cite examples of such nepotism in the Labour Party, they tend to fall rather short. The case of the recent selection of a candidate in Erith and Thamesmead, where the daughter of Lord (Philip) Gould failed to win, seems an odd example, for obvious reasons. Another favourite example of Labour nepotism oft quoted by the hard-of-thinking is Glasgow North East, where there were rumours that Michael Martin’s son, Paul, wished to succeed his father at Westminster. Such rumours were more than enough to start the mouths foaming, even though Paul had no intention of standing and an altogether different candidate was subsequently selected.
Another equally-laughable example of Labour nepotism is in Hull, where retiring MP John Prescott was almost succeeded by his son. Almost. Mr Prescott Jr. lost out in the selection, but that didn’t stop the Right claiming it was only Prescott Jr’s relationship to the former Deputy Prime Minister that got him… er, beaten. Or something.
But let’s turn our atention to the Conservative Party, shall we? To Douglas Hogg, perhaps, the son of a former Tory Lord Chancellor? Or to Henry Bellingham MP, the 17th of his line to enter the Commons? Francis Maude’s father was an MP, as was Bill Wiggin’s. And there are plenty of other examples on both sides of the House. Who honestly thinks Hilary Benn should be excluded from office just because his father (and grandfather) was also an MP?
The point, surely, is that there is absolutely nothing wrong in politicians’ sons and daughters following them into parliament. Those of the rabid tendency seem to believe that it is undemocratic to allow such offspring to compete for party nominations. Or to be more accurate, they believe that it is undemocratic to allow such offspring to compete for Labour Party nominations. If you’re a Tory politician whose parent served in the House, you obviously achieved office by hard graft and through being eminently qualified for the job. If you’re a Labour politician, however, and your mother or father was an MP, well, that’s nepotism, that is…
I would suggest that it’s pretty unavoidable that the sons and daughters of politicians enter politics themselves. In fact it should be welcomed: political sons and daughters are probably better prepared for the media scrutiny and demands of constituents previously visited upon their parents.
Given that Jack Dromey has lived his entire life in the Labour movement, and given that his wife is a long-serving, prominent MP, wouldn’t it be stranger if he didn’t consider seeking election as an MP? As to being “parachuted” into a safe seat, if Jack is selected, he will have had to plead his case against other candidates in front of a selection conference which includes every paid-up member of whichever local Labour Party is looking for a new candidate. And please don’t bother whittering on about Totnes and open primaries; that won’t happen in many — if any — more Tory selections this side of a general election, and pretending that open primaries are now the “norm” in the Conservative Party isn’t going to wash.














Saturday 8 August 2009 at 11:22 pm
I think Jack Dromey has proved his mettle in the Labour Party, and since seeing him speak in person, I have wondered why he hasn’t put himself forward. His face would be a welcome sight in the House of Commons.
And there is something quietly ironic about the Mail and the like referring to him as Mr Harriet Harman isn’t there?
Saturday 8 August 2009 at 11:25 pm
Wrong again Tom, as always looking at the past. Tory selection is now open for all to see. The party has moved on. David has changed the party so that what you have just gone on about does not happen anymore. bring back Carolyn and some common sense.
Saturday 8 August 2009 at 11:27 pm
I don’t want to burst your bubble, Johnny (okay, I actually do) but if you think Tory Party selections are entirely open, you might want to read this.
Saturday 8 August 2009 at 11:30 pm
I actually couldn’t give a monkeys if Harriet’s husband, brother, uncle, grandad, milkman, toyboy, second-cousin-twice-removed, and some harpy she once met in the Virago section of Watermans got parachuted into Labour (snigger) safe (unsnigger) seats.
It’s irrelevant to the future of the country.
The Labour Sorry New Labour party is finished (even if in the wet-dreams of the ducklings on here Tom Harris is made leader).
Saturday 8 August 2009 at 11:31 pm
I have no problem with MPs relatives attempting to become a candidate. However, they should actually face some competition, preferably a primary, to see whether the voters want that person to stand for them (relatives tend to get chucked into safe seats, which means that you struggle to lose in the election even if you run through the streets naked proclaiming that you want to deflower every pretty young virgin in your constituency).
I’m sure you can see the difference between the above, and the parachuting in of the the husband of (probably) the most sexist MP in the house to a safe seat (i.e. one he couldn’t lose even with the aforementioned denuded street running).
And yes, I would like to see MPs from all sides subject to the voters. I’m not anti-Labour on this. There should be absolutely no ‘parachuting to safe seats’ whatever colour rosette you wear.
Saturday 8 August 2009 at 11:35 pm
Not to mention Jacob Rees-Mogg as the challenger in North East Somerset, his sister who is also challenging the neighbouring constituency, offspring of Tory Peer William Ress-Mogg.
Saturday 8 August 2009 at 11:44 pm
I suppose that because there are examples in all walks of life where nepotism has been a means of getting incapable people into positions, it is now seen as suspect. This is a great shame when talent and ability is often shared within a family unit. It is common knowledge that, to give two examples, positions within the military and the clergy are often seen in generations of the same family.
I will give a personal example, not political, military or clergy, but still the same recipe. I am Musical Director for a show going out in October. The Theatre Group needed a rehearsal pianist, so I recommended my daughter, who will also play for the show. I have also contracted my wife to play in the orchestra for the show. The important thing is that I have given my wife and daughter these contracts because they are good. Is this nepotism? yes, of course it is.
Saturday 8 August 2009 at 11:46 pm
Tamsin Dunwoody would be another recent one. Possibly more opportunism than nepotism, I suppose.
Saturday 8 August 2009 at 11:50 pm
The problem with Dromey is his role as Labour Treasurer. His denials of any knowledge of the financial shenanigans that were going on during his period in office render him completely unworthy of any public support.
If the best Labour can find is a man who can’t see what is right under his nose – then you deserve all the electorate can throw at you.
Sunday 9 August 2009 at 1:00 am
Political appointment is all about back scratching. Relatives, friends, work colleagues, not an issue and I don’t see any story here. Being selected as a candidate doesn’t automatically make someone an MP. There is that small thing called an election.
Sure, safe-seats make it more likely, but not a cert.
I can find far more important issues to berate Labour party nepotism, such as Mandelson being any where near power, when the people of Hartlepool chucked him in the political waste bin. His re-emergence needs stopping.
If the Tories and Lib/Dem groupies get as het up over Draconian legislation as they do over the selection of a candidate, people may take politics more seriously.
Sunday 9 August 2009 at 7:22 am
Well Tom the reality is that, We chose our new MP. I think we started out with about 12 people. We interviewed them individualy. We then voted on who we wanted as our MP. The top 3 went on to the next round.
At a later date they each had 30 mins to present their case in an opem forum with a chairman ( local newspaper editor)asking them the same questions with questions from the floor.
We then all voted for the candidate of OUR choice. The winner is now our candidate at the next election. I have never been involved in a process like this before. He is the choice of the local party in Central Norfolk.
Of course things have moved on and all voters had their say in Totnes.
Now tell me Tom how does it work in the Labour party. Do your local members vote for who they want.
No answer came the reply.
Sunday 9 August 2009 at 8:41 am
That’s precisely the process that was used when I was selected as a candidate, Johnny. The only time headquarters pokes its nose in is when selections unexpectedly happen close to a general election. And I hate to burst your bubble, Johnny (no, I don’t…) but the Tories have exactly the same procedure in those circumstances.
Sunday 9 August 2009 at 9:57 am
‘–Given that Jack Dromey has lived his entire life in the Labour movement, –’
a good enough reason for keeping him (and all the rest of the quango /union/m.p.’s researcher/ngo/opinion formers tribe of all shades of opinion who have no experience of life outside the incestious world of politics) as far away from possible election as one can think of !
Sunday 9 August 2009 at 10:20 am
The only problem I’d have, is the people who might elect Mr. Dromey would undoubtedly get Harman as their MP too. A man can’t be left to do the job on his own now, can he?
Sunday 9 August 2009 at 10:50 am
Timbone
“This is a great shame when talent and ability is often shared within a family unit.”
In that case it doesn’t matter. The offspring gets the job on the grounds of their ability, not who their parents are. The problem is people getting job solely because of their parents.
There’s a big difference between inheriting ability and inheriting a job.
Sunday 9 August 2009 at 11:10 am
I suppose Mandy won’t be parachuted into a safe seat…
Sunday 9 August 2009 at 2:46 pm
Tom.
I wish I had interviewed you.
If its the same what are you going on about.
Its just spin trying to make something of nothing.
Sunday 9 August 2009 at 5:05 pm
Johnny Norfolk:
How come you’re allowed to comment as a Tory, but as an ‘ex Labour voter’ . . . I’m apparently not?
Is criticism from a Tory more acceptable then Tom?
Sunday 9 August 2009 at 5:30 pm
Johnny – and anyone else – is welcome to comment provided they don’t use abusive language. See my comments policy.
Sunday 9 August 2009 at 10:26 pm
Sorry Tom . . . although I’m not quite so sure as to what constitutes abusive language in any of my previous posts – (I’m assuming that’s a ‘pop’ at me) unless pointing out the ‘nepotism’ of the entire Kinnock family being employed by Labour, at public expense – is ‘abuse’.
I would agree that’s abuse . . . but, not by me and it’s certainly not ‘abusive language’ to point it out.
If you prefer . . . I’m happy to point out that there are Tories who are just as ‘troughing’ as Labour politicians . . . for balance.
But it’s hardly a convincing defence of Labour shenanigans to say that “Ooow Tories are just as bad” . . . as I tried to point out, Labour were supposed to be ‘better than that’ . . . NOT worse.
But forgive me for abusing you . . . it was unintentional and I shall endeavour to moderate my comments to an acceptable level for you personally, in future.
Friends?
Monday 10 August 2009 at 10:05 am
No point in discussing selection of a candidate in Erith and Thamesmead. You seem to believe all is well. Others don’t.
A case to agree to disagree.
Happy to keep “bile” out of comments.
However, will you also be restraining yourself Tom ?
Monday 10 August 2009 at 3:37 pm
If the Labour Party are happy with someone as clearly incompetent as Dromey, then it is all to the good. Wipe out is what is needed.
Good to see that Margaret Moran has managed to make herself even less popular with those she represents, whilst we are looking at MPs present and possibly future. What a fine advert she is for public service.
Tuesday 11 August 2009 at 10:50 am
The shameless and continuing nepotism of the Head of our State always coming from one family seems considerably more egregious than any alleged nepotistic corruption among MPs.
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