A COUPLE of weeks ago, at about half ten on a Sunday night, Carolyn and I were enjoying that rare quiet time between the boys’ bedtime and ours. But as we were watching TV, we heard an almighty crash from upstairs.
Immediately fearing the worst, I ran upstairs to check on the boys in their bedrooms; they were safe and sound asleep. It was Carolyn who first noticed the dust in the air as she stood on the landing outside my teenage son’s bedroom. We walked in to find a dreadful mess: a large portion of the plaster ceiling had caved in, throwing rubble and dust into every corner of the room. Something similarly violent had occurred years ago when a burst water pipe flooded our kitchen. At the time we were insured through a very professional company who sent out their assessor first thing the next day. He immediately organised everything so that the replacement of the kitchen, although distressing, was carried out as quickly and as professionally as possible, with very little hassle for us (other than having to do without a fully functioning kitchen over Christmas).
A few years later I made a mistake: I switched our home insurance to Churchill.
As soon as this latest disaster happened, I phoned their helpline, to be told that no-one there could help (it was a Sunday night, after all) but that someone would call the next day. Sure enough, at quarter to nine the next morning, I received a call from a very young girl whose script in front of her told me that I was not covered for the damage to the ceiling – even before I had the chance to explain that I didn’t know the cause of the damage.
Could she send out an assessor (as I assumed was the norm)? No, came the answer. Well, could I speak to her superior, then, to find out why not? After all, how could they decide if I was covered or not if they weren’t willing to look at the damage themselves? Eventually they reluctantly agreed to send out an assessor… nine days later! So, for more than a week, the bedroom lay untouched. Because I had made the grave mistake of moving my home insurance to an amateurish outfit like Churchill. What a shower!
Inevitably, of course, the assessor told me exactly what had been written down on the crib sheet that the young girl had read out when she first called me: that I am not covered for the damage. Something to do with the damage having been caused by water ingress over a period of time. That alone is reason for Churchill to refuse to cover the damage to the ceiling. Truly pathetic. And I am (was) paying a great deal of money to this second rate outfit for the privilege of… well, for the privilege of paying them money, apparently.
Remember that old advertising strapline for Direct Line Commercial Union? “We won’t make a drama out of a crisis”.
Churchill’s should be: “We’re not interested if you have a crisis or not, so long as you keep paying your premiums”. Which I won’t be.


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Friday 18 September 2009 at 4:03 pm
So who were you with previously? Are the straplines a hint?
Friday 18 September 2009 at 4:15 pm
Welcome to the real world Tom.
We all have to go through these petty indignities, where big business are able to crap all over the ‘little guy’ because we don’t have a government willing to DO anything to curb their excesses.
In my case, I’m paying “ORANGE” for an 8 meg internet connection whilst receiving 500k.
Apparently OfCom can’t ‘get involved with individual cases’ so are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
What is the point of an industry regulator who refuses to “regulate the industry” that they are supposed to ensure DON’T rip off the consumer?
As I say . . . welcome to ‘our’ world, Tom.
Can’t you claim on House of Commons expenses?
Friday 18 September 2009 at 4:40 pm
That’s horrific, Tom. A thoroughly deserved naming and shaming. At least nobody was hurt, but the inconvenience and mess must be a total pain, let alone the cost. I think I’d better check my home insurance as well, just in case …
‘Silent Hunter’ – showing yourself up as a stupid berk, as usual.
Friday 18 September 2009 at 4:41 pm
Is that a picture of the teenage boy’s bedroom? I know we shouldn’t spoil them, but I think he should have a bigger trampoline..
Friday 18 September 2009 at 4:42 pm
Poor Old Tom,
What does he expect from Government owned insurance companies?
What Tom doesn’t mention (does he know?) is that Churchill and in fact Direct Line are in fact no more than brands for RBS Insurance which of course is a subsidiary of the Royal Bank of Scotland.
I imagine the boys from the ‘Brownstuff’ will be round to have a word about criticising the public sector…….
Friday 18 September 2009 at 4:56 pm
The last time I had to call in the insurers (bathroom ceiling fell in) they turned up OK but a more useless set of cowboys it would be hard to find.
Eventually, after 6 months of failed repairs, I got stroppy; eventually got a fairly decent repair. But I had to find the correct bathroom suite, tell them where to get the light fittings, new floor covering etc
Luckilly a full record of all the telephone conversations and letters was kept.
When a bedroom ceiling fell in (very similar to your mishap in fact) I said sod it; got a local plasterer to do it and didn’t waste time on the insurance. Cost a few bob but he did an excellent job cleanly and to time, even repaired the cornice nicely and no hassle with crappy cowboys.
Though I couldn’t afford that in a major case of course.
Friday 18 September 2009 at 4:56 pm
Financial Ombudsman Service are the folks you need. Ive just had a set too with a travel insurance company that made every excuse in the book not to pay up, apparently for some reason these types of firms (which tend to be owned by banks) are short of cash and are rebuilding their capital bases (wonder how that happened Tom) good luck and do not take now for an answer, maybe they insure for ingress over a short period of time? sounds total twaddle to me.
Friday 18 September 2009 at 5:08 pm
On Topic
Any insurer which advertises like Churchill can’t afford to pay claims..
Cynical? Yes.
BUT I take the view that they don’t appear on Price Comparison sites as they are carp.
And they are I believe owned by A Scottish Bank RBS..Banks don’t believe in custom,er service.
We own a lot of RBS of course…
Off topic
(prior thread)
LibDems rejected Labour..no alliance…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/liberaldemocrats/6206465/Nick-Clegg-Labour-asked-Lib-Dems-to-prop-up-Gordon-Brown.html
Friday 18 September 2009 at 5:23 pm
Wasn’t “We won’t make a drama out of a crisis” the strapline of Commercial Union? I suspect I might need to check my own Churchill policy now!
Friday 18 September 2009 at 5:49 pm
Hello Nicky,
Feeling better now?
But I do take your point – I should have said that I too was happy that no one was hurt. I would have thought that could be taken as read, but, clearly some people have to have everything spelled out for them.
Never mind; moving on . . .
I’m interested to note that Churchill are part of the RBS – no wonder they won’t pay out, fixing Tom’s ceiling would probably wipe out the years profit margins.
The House of Commons expenses enquiry was perfectly reasonable – wouldn’t this come under ‘dilapidation’s’ ? and therefore be a perfectly legitimate expense to charge for?
Madasafish:
That’s good news that the Libs are refusing to entertain a LibLab Pact Mk2 – that should see their poll ratings go up.
Friday 18 September 2009 at 5:51 pm
Funny that. I had a similar experience trying to get JSA. A bus fee into Preston to go see them, a few questions ended up with “we need to see 12 months of bank statements” because I made the mistake of giving an honest answer (I used a bit of previous savings to help me get through uni). Fat lot of good that was. Needless to say, I got a job before I saw a penny of JSA.
Government and insurance companies are both good at one thing – taking money off you, and not giving it back.
Friday 18 September 2009 at 5:54 pm
Banks and insurance companies: legitimised gangsters.
I think that there’s no such thing as ‘cheap’ and if a company can offer insurance at significantly lower rates then it’s probably because they seldom stump up.
Friday 18 September 2009 at 5:56 pm
Has anyone seen the latest ICM poll for the Sunday Telegraph?
If you have shares in Nokia – I would buy some more; I think they will have to increase production to replace the ones being destroyed against the walls of Downing Street.
Friday 18 September 2009 at 5:59 pm
About 18 months ago my parents had a serious fire which destroyed their bedroom and ruined the decoration the much of the rest. They were insured by Saga and I found them – or more accurately their agents – truly dreadful to deal with. Like Chris Wills they expected us to do all the work, chasing after them and the various contractors. I am with Cornhill and only hope to God that if I have a problem they will turn out to be better.
Friday 18 September 2009 at 6:03 pm
How strange we are going through a similar problem with insurance arranged through Endsleigh. We had a storm at the begining of Sept and we had some water comming into our dining room. I noticed it about 10.30 pm I rang the help line who took the details and that someone would contact me first thing in the morning.They did not of course so I rang them and they took the details again. With a comment that if the wind was less than 40 knots it would not be classed as storm damage. after various communications I am now at the point that I was told this wednesday that they would apoint a roof contractor to find and repair the leak and arrange for redecoration. but still no word so again I will be chasing up on Monday.
It has been very slow to say the least.If it rains again we will have even more damage
Friday 18 September 2009 at 6:08 pm
Probably worth checking Tom’s expenses line by line to see if he’s claimed for an unusually large amount of sellotape and tipex in his office budget this month…
Friday 18 September 2009 at 6:11 pm
Silent Hunter – at the risk of encouraging you, a couple of points:
Repairs to MP’s second homes can no longer be claimed for;
The damage I wrote about was to my main (Glasgow) home so would never have qualified anyway.
Friday 18 September 2009 at 6:33 pm
In defence of government owned banks and indeed local government….
I had a lampost fall onto the roof of my car last December causing damage to the roof, windscreen and bonnet. Dorset CC/SEC were round in less than half an hour (it was 7.30 in the morning). Within an hour and a half the SEC Area Manager was on sight reassuring me that although persons unknown had driven into and knocked over the lampost, SEC would accept full liability for the damage to my car. In the meantime I had contacted my insurers, received a phonecall from a garage to come and pick the car up and drop off a loan car. Just after midday I had a replacement car. By 5.30 I had a phonecall telling me the damage had been assessed and a date when my car would be repaired by. My car was back 2 days early.
My insurer? Good ‘ol LloydsTSB
Friday 18 September 2009 at 7:12 pm
Not withstanding that a lot of people in the finance industry are sh*ts, and you are undoubtably being treated shodily.
You could use this as a growing experience and fix it yerself, its great fun, and women really dig guys who sort this sort of crap themselves. So off to B&Q for you.
You could play surley builder and hopless tennent roleplaying with Mrs Harris. Grrrr.
Expand your mind.
Friday 18 September 2009 at 7:13 pm
Mind you I’m insured with churchaill, so will be reading my policies small print in short order.
Friday 18 September 2009 at 7:39 pm
I usually read and move on, but, wow, Tom, you do have some spiteful commentators.
It’s sad that something like a roof falling in is somehow a political victory, (expenses jibe, “welcome to the real world”, government won’t do anything…”
You should be stricter in your policy.
That said, when I read this post I was wondering if it is allowed to name the company by name. I guess you can, just don’t get into trouble for it!
Friday 18 September 2009 at 7:44 pm
I bet you switched to Churchill because it was cheaper…
…now you complain that you are getting cheap service – what on earth did you expect?
You tend to get what you pay for in life (in general, over time).
Should have stuck with one of the more quality (=expensive) brands if you wanted a quality claims service.
Caveat Emptor!
Friday 18 September 2009 at 7:59 pm
What ho Tom,
You know I don’t need encouragement
BUT, I can put you in touch with an excellent builder in Glasgow – Try C&V Construction they are bloody brilliant, they are responsible for the installation of all the Glasgow Schools “Fuel Zones” which you have probably heard of.
Actually I kinda figured that you wouldn’t have taken advantage of the expenses thing even if you could – you’re far too honest.
Which is why I like to blog here.
Because although I hate your Government with a passion. I think that some Labour Politicians are entirely honourable and really do have the publics best interests at heart.
I just wish that your Party would stop doing things that make it all to easy to criticise ‘you’, as a member.
Friday 18 September 2009 at 8:03 pm
Hadleigh Roberts:
“..You should be stricter in your policy…”
Or to put it another way . . .
“You should stifle Free Speech and censor any dissent”
A Labour voter are you Hadleigh?
Funny . . . I used to be one too.
Comments like that remind me why I stopped being a Labour voter.
Friday 18 September 2009 at 8:06 pm
Blimey your telly’s a bit primitive, I thought you would’ve claimed a better one on MP’s expenses. (that’s a joke btw
)
I guess you’ve mentioned this on your blog to try to embarrass Churchill into changing their minds. I hope so – good luck – most insurance companies are bastards.
Friday 18 September 2009 at 8:46 pm
Silent Hunter
wouldn’t this come under ‘dilapidation’s’ ? and therefore be a perfectly legitimate expense to charge for?
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Pssst since when did MP’s expenses have to be ‘perfectly legitimate’ for them to be charged?
My dull and boring car insurance story :
Arrived at Esure through a comparison website and they sent me the schedule. I noticed they had my girlfriend’s d.o.b wrong, day month and year. I phoned them up to point this out and they said ‘thankyou, and that will be £26 for changing the schedule’.
I complained robustly but without swearing, they offered to cancel the policy (£60 charge). I said ‘No’. They then wrote to me canceling it.
After another couple of calls they reinstated the policy and said they wouldn’t charge me (rob me of) the £26.
Shocking behaviour really.
PS in a room with lath and plaster ceilings, don’t use a wallpaper steam stripper, or use the room for ironing, otherwise you’ll be able to take a photo which will look much like Tom’s. The water vapour soaks into the plaster, weighs it down, and softens it.
Thank me later.
Friday 18 September 2009 at 9:13 pm
My first thoughts reading this sorry tale have already been mentioned. If a company spend a lot on advertising, and at the same time offer cheaper insurance, there must be a catch. Which leads onto the second point. As a general rule, if you pay a bit more you get more value. Simples.
Friday 18 September 2009 at 9:36 pm
Can anyone recomend any good insurance companies who have treated you quickly and properly.
Friday 18 September 2009 at 10:32 pm
@Sammy
…PS in a room with lath and plaster ceilings, don’t use a wallpaper steam stripper, or use the room for ironing, …
Please advise how we are meant to iron our clothes then?
Not only do are the ceilings lath and plaster, the plaster on the walls contains horse hair, well mine do as it’s the original plaster for the most part.
Friday 18 September 2009 at 10:45 pm
@Johnny Norfolk. If they are still going, General Accident, expensive as well!!
Friday 18 September 2009 at 11:21 pm
Chris:
The real secret is not to iron your clothes ‘on’ the ceiling or the walls; thus avoiding penetrative damp caused by steam.
Alternately . . . don’t iron.
As a “consultant” I would normally charge for this advice, but since I don’t want to attract any more invective from NickyPicky, I will simply say “Have that advice on me”…. no! don’t thank me, your welcome.
Hi Sammy . . . is there a business in this country based around banking and insurance which isn’t ‘on the take’?
You would have thought that our gracious Lord Mandy would be bending over backwards to do something to help the little guy.
Perhaps he’s too busy helping the Big guy with the large private yacht to worry about the ‘little guy’.
Maybe we could ask George Osborne . . . oh wait! . . . perhaps not.
Saturday 19 September 2009 at 12:37 am
Bad luck Tom…
You’ve just highlighted what many of us have suspected for years – that the biggest insurance fraudsters are the insurance companies themselves.
The tactics employed by these companies, as they try virtually any excuse to avoid “loss”, should be the subject of an investigation by parliament. The very fact that you, in all honesty, made a claim in good faith, only to be told “sorry your not covered for that”, surely implies that you’ve been miss-sold the policy.
Saturday 19 September 2009 at 3:46 am
Tom,
I’m surprised at you. Surely you know that, on Health and Safety grounds, you cannot wait for Insurance Assessors. Have you not get a ‘Man’. I have a washing machine man, a plumber man, a roofing man, a windows man, etc.
Health and Safety requires that you get the problem fixed pronto. Argue with the Ins Co afterwards. Take no shit.
Saturday 19 September 2009 at 5:06 am
Tom – the only difference between insurance companies and bookies is that the former don’t, if they can possibly avoid it, pay out, when they lose a bet.
I’ve been done by the bastards before. My sympathies.
Saturday 19 September 2009 at 11:07 am
@Mark M Friday 18 September 2009 at 5:51 pm
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Funny that. I had a similar experience trying to get JSA
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Avoid being on JSA in rural South West – you can spend up to £15 on public transport just to go and sign on, so widely dispersed are Job Centre Plus offices. (Plus?)
Saturday 19 September 2009 at 11:26 am
Hadleigh Roberts:
“You should be stricter in your policy.”
Oh, don’t be such a Bradshaw.
Is anyone surprised that insurance companies are as keen to pay out as casinos these days? It’s stinge out or lose a few more staff…
Saturday 19 September 2009 at 11:36 am
Tom,
Seems a simple thing to sort out. The first example you gave was a burst pipe causing damage – covered under all policies.
The second may bewater ingress over time – excluded from all covers.
Gradual deterioration is excluded from Insurance polices because it’s simply not a fortuitous loss – it’s stopped by maintenance. If it was included I’m sure you can see the problems that could be caused if Insureds refused to maintain their homes in proper condition but expected all repairs to be covered by their insurance policies.
OK, so far no help at all (I know). However, for you to claim you will need to look at the damage yourself. Find out where the water came from. Basically, where is the leak ? Assuming you find it then look around – is there sign of corrosion over a long period eg build up of limescale and/or corrosion.
If there is a very slow drip of water then I think you’ll have trouble claiming. If you can see it as a burst pipe or joint that’s been opened then tell Churchill that you’ll refer matter to the Ombudsman (and do so).
If you can’t really find where the problem is then look for a trace and access extension on your policy.
Saturday 19 September 2009 at 11:39 am
Never in the history of insurance have so many complained so bitterly about so many…
We must fight them on the beaches, along the avenues and streets, in the apartment blocks…we will never surrender to their impudent double-dealing.
We may be in their thrall today, but tomorrow we’ll be more careful.
Saturday 19 September 2009 at 3:08 pm
You get what you pay for….
Personally I would pay over the odds for decent insurance But then thats me
Saturday 19 September 2009 at 4:43 pm
Welcome to the real world, you could complain and go to the ombudsman, but I wouldn’t bother as they are useless. In fact there was only one good regulator in the country, energywatch, who were brilliant, so the government scrapped them.
P.S That dog is covered by copyright, Strike 1!
Saturday 19 September 2009 at 5:11 pm
Thanks Silent, I follow the don’t iron philosophy, sending the laundry out is far simpler
Doesn’t stop the steam when others iron though.
Oh, remember, as a professional consultant you are liable for your advise, even if you don’t charged for
Sunday 20 September 2009 at 9:13 am
Chris:
OK . . . you owe me a fiver!
Sunday 20 September 2009 at 1:38 pm
Fair enough Silent, though do you mind if it’s a white fiver?
Will the next cyberman I see be a suitable recipient:)
Sunday 20 September 2009 at 8:24 pm
Thank goodness nobody was hurt.
I had a claim about six years ago for damage to a computer, due to a power surge. I was with Lloyds and they replaced my PC, brand new, state of the art, on the production of a repairer’s report. It is the only time I have ever claimed, and it was very straightforward.
I am now with Esure for contents insurance and we shall find out how good they are, in the event of a claim.
I am sorry to discover that you appear to live in an ordinary street, with neighbours, and not a mansion with at least a quarter mile drive and a moat.
Monday 21 September 2009 at 3:56 pm
Just remind me, who provides the Americans with their health cover?
Tuesday 22 September 2009 at 12:56 am
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Wednesday 23 September 2009 at 12:42 am
Oh yes Hadleigh you removed a comment didnt you That I left on your blog
How sweet of you to do so.
Some people
I dont know Im not bothered as I seem to recall I got so many hits from our little spat that I actually got some new readers…
Saturday 26 September 2009 at 6:52 pm
Ignore my last post. I have a similar piece of plaster stained with water ingress in the identical spot in the same back bedroom. It’s right next to the ridge wall between the room an next door.
Friday 16 October 2009 at 12:29 pm
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Sunday 16 May 2010 at 2:44 pm
Just found your blog on Churchill Insurance, we have been on holiday in France recently and had a problem with the windscreen, even though my husband contacted Churchill In January and was told he didn’t need a green card, and was referred to the back of the certificate of insurance that states”This certificate of Motor Insurance takes the place of an International Motor Insurance Card(green card) and is evidence that the insurance extends to include the compulsory motor insurance requirements of any member country of the EU” they now claim we have no insurance in france so go away and don’t bother us!! Did you ever manage to get your situation resolved and how can we stop these cowboys being able to rip off taxpayers. Cheers Terrie
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