THE SCOTTISH media, in general, adopt a radically different approach from national newspapers when it comes to coverage of asylum issues. On the whole, anyone who has entered the country illegally and found not to have been telling the whole truth about their circumstances in their home country is given enthusiastic support by Scottish newspapers.
The latest example is this family from Israel (yes, exactly) who have lived in Glasgow for four years. I guess it wouldn’t have taken very long for their asylum application to have been decided:
“Where did you travel from?”
“Israel.”
“Application denied. Sorry.”
There will no doubt be those who are politically antipathetic to Israel, but the UK doesn’t generally offer asylum to people from western (or westernised) democratic countries. Neither should we.
The central issue in this family’s story is a confusion between asylum and immigration. From reading the story in the Evening Times, it seems this family would be an asset to Glasgow and Scotland. They’re conscientious and responsible, and would be ideal candidates if they were to apply for British citizenship… from Israel.
But they didn’t apply to come to Britain legally. They came as asylum seekers, which means that the only factor that can be considered in their application is whether or not they are at risk of political or religious persecution at home. If the answer is no, then no amount of community work, no arguments about how well the children are doing in school or how many friends they’ve made, can be considered.
That sounds harsh, but consider the consequences of taking those things into account when considering an applicant’s application for refugee status. Why on earth would anyone ever apply again through the formal immigration process, a process that costs a lot of time and money? Simply come to Britain on a visitor’s visa then apply for asylum. Get involved in a local church, do lots of community work, make sure your kids do well at school and hey presto! A UK passport.
Asylum and immigration must be treated completely separately. The Times story concludes with the words:
A recent report by the Scottish Refugee Council claimed new research confirmed that by denying asylum seekers the chance to stay and work here, skills such as those of IT specialists, teachers, town planners and surveyors are lost to the UK.
Probably true in some cases, but certainly not in all. And I wonder how the Refugee Council would feel if we repatriated only those unskilled asylum seekers? Would they support that policy?
If people feel they have skills to offer, they can apply for an immigration visa from outside te UK. If they arrive in the UK claiming asylum, then only their claim to be at risk from personal danger in their home country can and should be taken into account.
When I meet asylum seekers in my own constituency, I tell them that when they applied for asylum, they entered a two-way agreement with the UK: the government would agree to house and support the applicants until their application was considered, after which they would expect the applicant to respect whatever decision is made. It’s at this point that most applicants demur. But how else can the system work? No asylum seeker has the right to apply for asylum but refuse to accept any decision other than a positive one.














Sunday 11 October 2009 at 6:26 pm
It’s a really tricky subject isn’t it. Very difficult. I can understand someone not wanting to live in Israel though.
Sunday 11 October 2009 at 6:28 pm
refreshing honesty from a Labour MP.
Sunday 11 October 2009 at 6:35 pm
EVERYONE in Israel suffers from religious persecution.
Still the correct decision though.
Go back and apply for immigration and, hopefully, we’ll welcome you with open arms.
Sunday 11 October 2009 at 6:40 pm
It is commonly claimed by a certain sort of troll that the UK has an open doors immigration policy.
One of my daughters’ b/f before last was sent back to the USA, although he had a research job to go to because he had not filled in his paperwork properly.
My son’s band’s singer is rich as Croesus and on her bike because she didn’t study enough on her previous course here.
Asylum, like residence, is granted or not. We may look for justice, but the modern state must assume its rights in our collective interests.
Sunday 11 October 2009 at 6:42 pm
“Get involved in a local church”.
I am completely disgusted that having an imaginary friend should have any bearing on asylum or immigration whatsoever. Are we living in the 17th century?
This is just appalling – if true.
Sunday 11 October 2009 at 7:44 pm
@Simon
Perhaps “get involved in The British Humanist Society” or “whinge online in an indignant and concerned way” would do?
Sunday 11 October 2009 at 9:00 pm
I agree that they should be deported.
I’m also possibly in favour of restricting free movement across the EU. It causes social unrest. No, better to level the playing field, deport people who are denied asylum *instantly*, but on the other side, make getting a visa/permission to reside in Scotland a lot lot easier. We do have a skills gap, so allow them in, within certain rules. Reward those people who play by the rules, deport those who don’t.
Stop posting things I agree with, Tom. Some of my SNP friends might read about it!
Sunday 11 October 2009 at 9:11 pm
In principle this is right but what if it is 15 years rather than 4 and what if there are children who were born here? The point is well made and I am amazed how many asylum applications are not resolved very quickly indeed.
Sunday 11 October 2009 at 10:22 pm
Quietzapple’s anecdotal is not unique. I know of similar cases – a single, American woman, in her 50’s, of independent means, almost marched onto an airplane (Anne Moffat had to intervene).
Of course, being white, English speaking and free of criminal convictions, officialdom went against her on principle.
Sunday 11 October 2009 at 10:57 pm
Weasel’s usual rubbish . .
One of my children’s friends to which I refrerred is white, the other not.
Monday 12 October 2009 at 12:55 am
Not sure what you mean by rubbish, Quietzapple. MPs do not get involved in cases like this to win Brownie points. Clearly Ms Moffat felt concerned enough to intervene. I am not going to go into details about a friend’s misfortunes, but you may read the following and think again:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6292414/Revealed-courts-let-dangerous-foreign-criminals-stay-in-Britain.html
The article makes the point that a lot of criminals manipulate the system by hijacking human rights legislation. There are all manner of quangos, do-goody lawyers and liberal wierdos, waiting to help convicted rapists, who are illegal immigrants, stay in this country. My friend had nobody, apart from her local MP.
Of course, asking you to think at all, before you throw out gratuitous insults, may be a bit of a stretch for you, but please try.
Monday 12 October 2009 at 7:00 am
If we are looking for a sustainable future, the world population is far too high, bringing that to relate to Britain our population is far too high to sustain. Only the most clear applications should be accepted and the vast majority should be rejected as quickly as possible to be fair to the aplicants.
Imigration to Britain is totaly out of hand we just cannot look after so many new people. Its breaking the back of this country. Its nothing at all to do with race. Its numbers.
Monday 12 October 2009 at 7:06 am
Anyway Tom you should have a good first day back at school. Protesters on the roof, brown envelopes waiting for everyone, an unplanned asset sale at the lowest point in the market, if we had kept the gold, have you seen its price. Perhaps you could remind your leader that was what the gold was for to sell in difficult times when the price would be sky high.
Dear me what a mess you have made AGAIN. but when they reject people like you from the government is it any wonder.
Monday 12 October 2009 at 11:04 am
Poor Weasel, he isn’t usually colour blind . . . as his posts show.
Funny how the “Open Doors” policy gets redefined to “People get thrown out but . . ” under the slightest challenge.
I’ll leave those who obsess about such like to it I think. The sky is worth observing today.
Monday 12 October 2009 at 11:17 am
Classic Russian – Israeli – US/UK jump.
Many Russians used the possibility of Israeli citizenship to get out of Russia and are now using Israeli citizenship to jump into Europe and the US
Marianne Gershon, 34, who emigrated to Israel from Ukraine in the mid-1990s, guessed that as many as half of the Russian speakers she knew would leave Israel if they could find a western country that would take them.
LINK
Monday 12 October 2009 at 11:34 am
Tom
During the Damian Green affair, you commented he was accused of “grooming”.
Given today’s report:
Ex-British Transport Police chief Ian Johnston said the leaks only amounted to “embarrassment” for ministers, and did not threaten national security.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8302316.stm
I have no doubt we will see an article apologising?
Monday 12 October 2009 at 11:39 am
Your lot couldn’t have made a bigger mess of immigration if you had tried.
Well done.
Monday 12 October 2009 at 12:39 pm
Always shove them in an interment camp, New labour love them, BNP are evil I know another government which is getting close, thank god I’ve left, when immigration and asylum seekers are treated like this.
Monday 12 October 2009 at 12:44 pm
There is no moral component to immigration.
If a country needs more people it’s very sensible.
If it doesn’t it’s plainly stupid.
Genuine asylum seekers…and there are vanishingly few of these, since most cross several safe nations to get here and are therefore economic migrants…are always welcome, up to the limit of our capacity. (The entire population of Somalia, who would have a damn good case for entry, might be rather too many to absorb.)
The rest should be refused or granted entry according to the stupid/sensible situation.
Monday 12 October 2009 at 2:55 pm
Tom the presure from imigration is felt everwhere. Mrs N was at her art group this morning and came home to tell me that one of her friends husbands has been having problems with his throat so much that the local GP has arranged for him to have a biopsey at the Norfolk and Norwich hospital. they have had a phone call today to say that the consultant who was going to do it at 11 am tomorrow is no longer availabe and another consultant will do it at 7 am. they are both over 70 and infirm and will be getting up a 5.oo for me to pick them up at 5.45 to take them to Norwich, they are glad they have the appontment, but what kind of care for them is that. They have no way to get to the hospital only friends to take them. this is the reality of Labour spending billions with no change of the way they do things. Whats the betting it will be 9 o clock or something before he is seen.
I just find it distgusting.
Tuesday 13 October 2009 at 2:51 am
1. We don’t have an open door, but we do seem to have forgotten about chucking-out time. I’ve heard of several cases of people outstaying their visa and/or working on a tourist visa. Considering how much we’ve spent on databases etc the authorities seem to make very little effort to deal with such matters.
2. What’s so special about people from EU states that they are allowed free access to the UK while people from elsewhere aren’t? Why does an Israeli or a Chinese have to prove that “they have skills to offer” while a Portuguese or a Slovak doesn’t?
3. What’s the current situation with arranged marriages? If I want to marry a Russian, I’d have to answer all kinds of personal questions before they could get a visa. How does someone who’s never met their soon-to-be spouse dodge all those questions?
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