Careful, Tom. You don’t want to tangle with the Turnip Taleban. They’re armed, dangerous and know how to use root vegetables to extract the most *exquisite* pain.
I feel a little sorry for those who, like the Chairman who has resigned I believe, resent the way Tory Central Office treated them.
Chameleon seems to have held his hand up, and asked them to roll over, just this once., and swallow their pride. Well tories are used to that . . .
They may have been jejeune, but shouldn’t Tory HQ (where Cashcroft has more conniving minions than Chameleon) have whispered in the Chairman’s ear that embarrassment re Liz Truss’ past was likely?
I do think, Tom, that you are pretty halfhearted in your pillory of the burghers of Norfolk, read the scunner Brogan in today’s Dully Tele. http://bit.ly/18iBTK
Perhaps, when Cashcroft abandons them after the next GE, and Gordon remains i/c HMG, Chameleon’s successor might contract out his operation’s operations to QuietzappleToryOpsInc?
On this one occasion, I wholeheartedly support Cameron against the half-wit misogynists of SW Norfolk. Truss’s past personal life is bugger all to do with them.
I think there are so many undercurrents in this sea of intrigue that true identification of motives is almost impossible.
Isn’t it, at least partially, about resistance to Central Office control?
I believe it’s simplistic to attach blame for the whole imbroglio to the half-witticism and misogyny of the Norfolk committee. Much as they deserve a large proportion of it.
It was inevitable that it would come out, and any sensible party management would have allowed for that and had a whisper in the Chairman’s ear. Real world, Norfolk, not the Labour Party.
The Tories ought to be allowed to have their party – whispers and all – and Chameleon should say: “Sorry, HQ made a mistake, BUT it is irrelevant isn’t it?” not just : “Lump it or we’ll give you an all female shortlist.”
Even Tory Members deserve better than that.
(Spose I shall be in trouble sticking up for tories again, was the case when I had a Tory ward mate too . .. Tory Party is rarely humane, they need a socialist to defend their rights.)
Tom I did not give you permission to publish a photograph of me and Mrs Norfolk.
By your comment you have no idea what has gone on. Do you not think the candidate should be chosen by local people with the full facts about the person.
This removal of even more power to the centre is the rotton core of politics today.
That depends, Tom. This seems to be another of those issues that is, to use your vernacular, “bugger all” to do with you, or me, ahem.
Adultery is one of the ugliest things a human being is capable of. I don’t remember you mentioning that in any of your previous posts. Has she repented?
Seems a lot of people have watched the immoral behaviour of umpteen MPs and realise that one with good character is highly desirable.
@Stewart, I’d say adultery was pretty low of the list of the ugliest things a human being is capable of.
It’s certainly below, murder, rape, child abuse, pedophilia, (necrophilia for that matter), putting your dustbin out on the wrong day, and voting Labour.
Damn was just going to ask what would Johnny Norfolk say?
Good luck to Ms Truss – the sound of constituency branches spouting morality is almost (if not quite) as appalling as the sound of MPs preaching sexual morality.
Re the constituency /central debate, well I mentioned the most obvious one the other day, Kinnock’s threat to shut down the Garscadden branch if they dumped Dewar in favour of a Militant. Not quite democratic maybe, but if it had gone the other way, Miltant wouls have been on their way to achieving the unthinkable, making Labour unelectable in Glasgow.
Tom:”Truss’s past personal life is bugger all to do with them.”
Even after all this time, MP’s just don’t get it. Integrity is about what you do in private NOT just what you do in public. Integrity is about being the same person in the dark as you are in the light.
More than being politically competent I want MP’s of integrity – honourable members not competent members. The biggest betrayal of trust is breaking of marriage vows … ask anyone who’s been on the receiving end of it.
Truss compounded the problem by not being up front about it to the selection panel. Apparently it’s their responsibility to look into people’s past not the candidate’s to be honest about it in the first place!
All these things don’t bode well for her as an MP IMHO, or for the current batch who defend her.
No doubt NuLabour would introduce Adultery Discrimination laws to ensure that adultery can no longer be grounds for discrimination.
I am very dissapointed in your tone and attitude about Norfolk people. But for a Dr Who fan at your age I suppose it par for the course.
However your attitude to “local” people is quite disgraceful. It is this kind of self centered attitude that I think is why parties like the BNP are gaining support. They listen to local people their concerns and wories and what is your responce Tom to be unpleasant and nasty to unsean and unknown local people.
No wonder the people are so put off by you. a little more humility and understanding would be far nearer the mark.
The people of Norfolk are very hard working self sufficent and ask little from the state. Is it to much to ask that they should have a PPC that they and not central office want. If they want a local candidate whats wrong with that rather than a journiman politician.
Johnny – I have no doubt that you’re right about the hard working and self-suffient people of Norfolk, which is why I have never made criticism of them – just the Tories.
Surely it is up to them what is their business or not. They are the association, they get to pick the candidate.
Representative democracy? Only so long as top brass get to choose who represents hey?
I don’t care if my MP gets down to Barry White with others spouses, I do care that the NW Norfolk Association get to field whatever candidate they want.
Roger – Suely the point is that they had already selected her three weeks ago and then started complaining that she hadn’t volunteered details of her sex life during the first selection conference.
Monday 16 November 2009 at 11:28 am
Careful, Tom. You don’t want to tangle with the Turnip Taleban. They’re armed, dangerous and know how to use root vegetables to extract the most *exquisite* pain.
Monday 16 November 2009 at 11:30 am
I feel a little sorry for those who, like the Chairman who has resigned I believe, resent the way Tory Central Office treated them.
Chameleon seems to have held his hand up, and asked them to roll over, just this once., and swallow their pride. Well tories are used to that . . .
They may have been jejeune, but shouldn’t Tory HQ (where Cashcroft has more conniving minions than Chameleon) have whispered in the Chairman’s ear that embarrassment re Liz Truss’ past was likely?
I do think, Tom, that you are pretty halfhearted in your pillory of the burghers of Norfolk, read the scunner Brogan in today’s Dully Tele. http://bit.ly/18iBTK
Perhaps, when Cashcroft abandons them after the next GE, and Gordon remains i/c HMG, Chameleon’s successor might contract out his operation’s operations to QuietzappleToryOpsInc?
Monday 16 November 2009 at 11:32 am
On this one occasion, I wholeheartedly support Cameron against the half-wit misogynists of SW Norfolk. Truss’s past personal life is bugger all to do with them.
Monday 16 November 2009 at 11:47 am
I think there are so many undercurrents in this sea of intrigue that true identification of motives is almost impossible.
Isn’t it, at least partially, about resistance to Central Office control?
I believe it’s simplistic to attach blame for the whole imbroglio to the half-witticism and misogyny of the Norfolk committee. Much as they deserve a large proportion of it.
Monday 16 November 2009 at 11:54 am
Tom:
It was inevitable that it would come out, and any sensible party management would have allowed for that and had a whisper in the Chairman’s ear. Real world, Norfolk, not the Labour Party.
The Tories ought to be allowed to have their party – whispers and all – and Chameleon should say: “Sorry, HQ made a mistake, BUT it is irrelevant isn’t it?” not just : “Lump it or we’ll give you an all female shortlist.”
Even Tory Members deserve better than that.
(Spose I shall be in trouble sticking up for tories again, was the case when I had a Tory ward mate too . .. Tory Party is rarely humane, they need a socialist to defend their rights.)
Monday 16 November 2009 at 12:05 pm
Tom I did not give you permission to publish a photograph of me and Mrs Norfolk.
By your comment you have no idea what has gone on. Do you not think the candidate should be chosen by local people with the full facts about the person.
This removal of even more power to the centre is the rotton core of politics today.
Monday 16 November 2009 at 12:57 pm
That depends, Tom. This seems to be another of those issues that is, to use your vernacular, “bugger all” to do with you, or me, ahem.
Adultery is one of the ugliest things a human being is capable of. I don’t remember you mentioning that in any of your previous posts. Has she repented?
Seems a lot of people have watched the immoral behaviour of umpteen MPs and realise that one with good character is highly desirable.
Monday 16 November 2009 at 1:20 pm
@Stewart, I’d say adultery was pretty low of the list of the ugliest things a human being is capable of.
It’s certainly below, murder, rape, child abuse, pedophilia, (necrophilia for that matter), putting your dustbin out on the wrong day, and voting Labour.
Monday 16 November 2009 at 1:52 pm
Damn was just going to ask what would Johnny Norfolk say?
Good luck to Ms Truss – the sound of constituency branches spouting morality is almost (if not quite) as appalling as the sound of MPs preaching sexual morality.
Re the constituency /central debate, well I mentioned the most obvious one the other day, Kinnock’s threat to shut down the Garscadden branch if they dumped Dewar in favour of a Militant. Not quite democratic maybe, but if it had gone the other way, Miltant wouls have been on their way to achieving the unthinkable, making Labour unelectable in Glasgow.
Monday 16 November 2009 at 2:20 pm
That is Michael Foot and friend. I claim my £5!
Monday 16 November 2009 at 2:38 pm
Tom:”Truss’s past personal life is bugger all to do with them.”
Even after all this time, MP’s just don’t get it. Integrity is about what you do in private NOT just what you do in public. Integrity is about being the same person in the dark as you are in the light.
More than being politically competent I want MP’s of integrity – honourable members not competent members. The biggest betrayal of trust is breaking of marriage vows … ask anyone who’s been on the receiving end of it.
Truss compounded the problem by not being up front about it to the selection panel. Apparently it’s their responsibility to look into people’s past not the candidate’s to be honest about it in the first place!
All these things don’t bode well for her as an MP IMHO, or for the current batch who defend her.
No doubt NuLabour would introduce Adultery Discrimination laws to ensure that adultery can no longer be grounds for discrimination.
Monday 16 November 2009 at 3:20 pm
I am very dissapointed in your tone and attitude about Norfolk people. But for a Dr Who fan at your age I suppose it par for the course.
However your attitude to “local” people is quite disgraceful. It is this kind of self centered attitude that I think is why parties like the BNP are gaining support. They listen to local people their concerns and wories and what is your responce Tom to be unpleasant and nasty to unsean and unknown local people.
No wonder the people are so put off by you. a little more humility and understanding would be far nearer the mark.
The people of Norfolk are very hard working self sufficent and ask little from the state. Is it to much to ask that they should have a PPC that they and not central office want. If they want a local candidate whats wrong with that rather than a journiman politician.
Monday 16 November 2009 at 3:22 pm
“The biggest betrayal of trust is breaking of marriage vows”
We already live in a theocracy, you want to stone adulterers now too???
Adultery = Breaking a promise by doing something you promised you wouldn’t do. And getting caught.
Monday 16 November 2009 at 3:31 pm
I’m not going to defend her…. I’ve got my own problems.
(Please don’t mention the Dual Mandate).
Monday 16 November 2009 at 3:33 pm
Johnny – I have no doubt that you’re right about the hard working and self-suffient people of Norfolk, which is why I have never made criticism of them – just the Tories.
Monday 16 November 2009 at 3:54 pm
One and the same Tom. One and the same.
Monday 16 November 2009 at 7:55 pm
Whole thing is a sign of how alien many Tory Parties find a Chameleon/Cashcroft Tory HQ, for sure.
Monday 16 November 2009 at 10:39 pm
Ah well, thats a little local difficulty sorted out in Norfolk.
I dont know what all the fuss was about.
Forward to the General Election.
Tuesday 17 November 2009 at 8:34 am
I wonder how many other resignations there will be over this . .. how many abstentions . . ?
Tuesday 17 November 2009 at 11:25 am
Tom,
Surely it is up to them what is their business or not. They are the association, they get to pick the candidate.
Representative democracy? Only so long as top brass get to choose who represents hey?
I don’t care if my MP gets down to Barry White with others spouses, I do care that the NW Norfolk Association get to field whatever candidate they want.
Tuesday 17 November 2009 at 11:36 am
Roger – Suely the point is that they had already selected her three weeks ago and then started complaining that she hadn’t volunteered details of her sex life during the first selection conference.
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