YOU OFTEN hear claims that the treaty under which Gary McKinnon’s extradition is being sought was constructed specifically for dealing with terrorists.
This is false.
The explanatory notes to the Extradition Act 2003 state:
The Government set out its proposals to reform the law on extradition in a consultation document “The Law on Extradition: A Review” in March 2001.
That was six month before 9/11, incidentally. Crucially, it states:
Crime, particularly serious crime, is becoming increasingly international in nature and criminals can flee justice by crossing borders with increasing ease. Improved judicial co-operation between nations is needed to tackle this development. The reform of the United Kingdom’s extradition law is designed to contribute to that process.
Extradition is an important tool in dealing with international crime: no one should be able to escape justice by simply crossing a border. The law should provide a quick and effective framework to extradite a person to the country where he is accused or has been convicted of a serious crime, provided that this does not breach his fundamental human rights.
So, no mention specifically of extraditing terrorists, although we can assume that terrorism falls under the “serious crime” heading.
And yet a myth – one of many in this case – has developed that Gary is to be extradited under legislation “intended” for terrorists. And I have been asked quite a few times on my Twitter page whether I think Gary is a terrorist. To which my answer, of course, is “no”. If he were facing terrorist charges in the US, the indictment would have made mention of the fact.
The Extradition Act 2003 was framed in order to deal with serious crimes. And, as Alan Johnson told the Commons today:
Gary is accused of serious criminal offences. He is alleged to have repeatedly hacked into US Government computer networks over a period of 13 months, including 97 US military computers from which he deleted vital operating systems and then copied encrypted information on to his own computer, shutting down the entire US army’s military district of Washington’s computer network for 24 hours. During interviews under caution, Mr. McKinnon admitted to much of the conduct he is accused of.
And another thing…
Regarding our allegedly “imbalanced” extradition trearty with the US, Alan told the Commons:
…members of both main Opposition parties have argued about this point. That argument was made in 2003, when the treaty was being concluded. What has happened since? In how many cases have we failed to get extradition from the US? None. Zilch. Nil. None whatsoever. Every case we have made to the US using probable cause has been successful. In contrast, there are seven cases in which the US has sought extradition from this country that are still held up in the system
I wonder if that fact will be covered by tomorrow’s Daily Mail? Hmm…
(You can read #1-6 of the Gary McKinnon myths here.)














Tuesday 1 December 2009 at 10:25 pm
Unlikely the Dully Maul will trouble themselves Tom, and Lord Toby Harris has been doing a bit of parallel debunking of the supposedly new intrusions of Councils too:
http://www.lordtobyharris.org.uk/members-of-the-house-of-lords-demonstrate-blurred-vision-on-surveillance-investigatory-powers-and-counter-terrorism/
Propaganda has screeched “Libertarian” & “civil liberties” inappropriately rather often it seems.
Tuesday 1 December 2009 at 10:34 pm
Oh dear!
What’s happened to the Toucans? Two Cans?
Cuh! Civil Liberties eh? It’s enough to make you want to keep our current Labour Police State. ;o)
Tuesday 1 December 2009 at 11:28 pm
You are throwing a British subject to the dogs. Just what has happened to the humanity labour is supposed to have. I think it is quite disgusting that you are putting Labours cow towing to the USA before the welfare of this poor man.
This is becomming the most vindictive government we have ever had in modern times. Two other men who were only passengers in the car that killed the person also sent back to a serve sentance we would never give in our country.
Labour have just become drunk with power and are determined to make as many as possible suffer before you loose power.
Horrible, horrible people.
Tuesday 1 December 2009 at 11:48 pm
More of Labour laying down to to other countries. Whilst they do nothing about of our people detained in Iran.
http://www.talkcarswell.com/show.aspx?id=1170
We are just being taken as a soft touch by the EU and everyone.
Wednesday 2 December 2009 at 12:07 am
News of the World. London (UK): Sep 16, 2001. pg. 10
WEEK THAT CHANGED THE WORLD
HOME Secretary David Blunkett is planning new fast-track extradition laws to help bring international terrorists to justice.
Wednesday 2 December 2009 at 12:12 am
Indeed. And I’m sure it will. What’s your point? With articles like the one you’ve found, I’m not surprised that Gary McKinnon’s supporters have misunderstood the nature and intention of the Act. But legislation does what it says on the face of the Bill – not what newspaper headlines say.
Wednesday 2 December 2009 at 7:22 am
Still hasn’t addressed the crucial issue, Tom.
He didn’t break UK law. The Met. already decided that when they questioned him years ago and released him without charge. Since then the law has ben “beefed up”, but wasn’t backdated.
He has apparently committed no crime on our shores.
Ergo, the only crimes he can have committed would be americans ones. Are we gonna start extraditing people to Saudi if they defame the Prophet on a Saudi web-forum? Or to Iran for besmirching the Supreme Leader?
I think not.
Justice is supposed to be equal. If he hasn’t left our shores, and if he has committed no crimes here, then he cannot be extradited, it would be unjust.
I notice no-ones talking about that
Wednesday 2 December 2009 at 7:28 am
Nah, not convinced.
Re reciprocity, the difference between post-2003 and before is that we have not been asking for IRA suspects to be sent back; pre-2003 we were never able to get IRA suspects sent to the UK, not even convicted murderers, so the history band is extremely short, a matter of six years or so. If the IRA start killing again, the US will go back to its policy of not sending suspects to the UK.
The other point is the question of whether or not McKinnon walked into a cyber trap, ie his hacking may well have been anticipated by the IT security.
Hackers are continually trying to back into US defence systems, and they wanted an example, not a native American, around whom opposition would coalesce; a limey fits the bill exactly.
Wednesday 2 December 2009 at 7:51 am
The proper position is somewhere between the two choices on offer.
This wasn’t some brilliant hack, he just opened existing security holes, and he didn’t shut down x thousand computers, they did that themselves when they knew how bad their own security was. The more serious charge should be reserved for whoever let their defence systems get into this state.
But then again we have some real phishing and fraud committed in the UK (runescape case), and they are given a caution as the Computer Misuse act is outdated and weak.
Ignoring the Asperger’s smokescreen, For the laws we have right now, the correct decision has been taken.
Wednesday 2 December 2009 at 12:39 pm
@Johnny
I do understand . . .
Your Dad failed to notice the 1950 Labour Government, and the enormous Labour vote of 1951, and now you fail to understand that the FO has arranged the release of the British Yachtsmen . .
. . . after lots of behind the scenes effort, to which the trolls you like to read have been denied access.
They will never like that, will they?
Wednesday 2 December 2009 at 5:45 pm
Aspergers Syndrome is a neurodevelopmental disorder and not a mental illness or psychological problem. There is evidence that people with the condition have different brain anatomy.The effects on personality and behaviour are very complex and challenging to understand.Try looking up ‘theory of mind’ and you will see what I mean. What Gary has done is typical of Aspergers. He has followed an obsession and has condemmed himself with honesty.In this case the politicians schould take the advice of expert medical opinion, because they are not competent to judge his complicated condition themselves. Would Gary be extradited if he were mentally subnormal? I think not.
Thursday 3 December 2009 at 8:33 am
Gary’s behaviour is quite consistent with mental illness, and it has been pointed out that the diagnosis of Aspergers is relatively recent, and may be incorrect.
Thursday 3 December 2009 at 2:49 pm
Ambivalent on this one, even though I am pleased to see Tom debunking the myth.
http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/debunking-myths-rentoul-on-harris-on-mckinnon-the-extradition-act/
It seems his deportation is AFTER ALL legal and has nothing to do with favours to the Yanks after 9/11. If (and it’s unclear to me as a layman) this man’s “crime” is due to a serious mental condition, and he has good legal advice in the USA, perhaps we should have faith in the American system.
He is NOT being sent to Iran or Saudi Arabia.
Over to you, our Amurican friends.
Saturday 5 December 2009 at 12:44 pm
re. Math’s comment: we don’t have an extradition agreement with Saudi Arabia. I don’t think a comparison of the two is particularly pertinent. Re. the Met enquiry: were they examining the case as if he had hacked into British systems in the same, repeated, way. Also, just because we didn’t have a law on it then – presumably because that eventuality had yet to be considered extensively – should it mean that he is immune from prosecution for something that should clearly be illegal (forget for a moment his Aspergers)?
Saturday 5 December 2009 at 12:49 pm
Also, we have comparative law regarding this case in the UK; we have no comparative law for the defamation of the Prophet Mohammed.
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