SINCE I’ve made a resolution not to blog about the weather, I might as well say something about the only other issue that’s got the chattering classes all excited: the leaders’ debate.
First, a few observations.
I do hope that at last we can get rid of the permanent ticker tape on Sky News asking us to sign their bloody petition as if their whining about wanting a debate actually qualifies as news.
Nick Clegg? WTF?! If we must have a debate, it would surely have been far better to involve only the main party leaders, with a separate one for Clegg, Salmond and whoever is leading UKIP these days. As it is, we’re going to have Brown and Cameron talking about the big issues, occasionally interrupted by the Liberal leader’s sanctimonious hand-wringing and lip-quivering sermons on “trust”.
Remember the 1992 presidential debates between Bush Snr, Clinton and Ross Perot? You get the picture.
As for the SNP, of course they’ll fulfill everyone’s expectations by having a wee tantrum. But their previously successful policy of book-burning preventing an interview with John Major being broadcast nationally in 1992 won’t work this time – too many of us can get the English regions on our Sky boxes. But if a Scottish debate is to be held, I assume Alex Salmond will not be representing his party, since it’s a Westminster election and Alex won’t be a candidate. (Having just typed that sentence, I now realise that, no matter how hard I try, I cannot summon any interest at all in who represents the SNP in the debates, but I thought I’d make the point anyway.)
Barring any legal difficulties, election debates will now become part of UK general election coverage. My guess is that the response of the general public to the leaders’ performances will have less impact on the final result than will the coverage of the debate by the media, since I doubt if the TV audiences will be large enough to have much of a direct effect (and I imagine the audience numbers will drop with each successive debate).














Tuesday 22 December 2009 at 10:15 am
I will not watch. The Muppets would be more relevant…And more fun.
Tuesday 22 December 2009 at 10:34 am
Labour and the tories are so similar (did the front benches go to uni together?) that it would be better to have a play off between them to see who faces Clegg in the next round. UKIP and the New BNP could have a similar play-off. We could have a Greens vs. UKIP/BNP and a SNP vs. Plaid Cwymru (made up the spelling, forgive me if I’m wrong).
Imagine the excitement, a telephone poll to select the winners, same night results and 10p from every vote going to pay MP expenses. And a grand finale hosted by Ant and Dec.
Tuesday 22 December 2009 at 10:39 am
Well, the weather is much more interesting; everyone I know is affected by it.
As for the television debate, why on earth should I want to watch someone telling lies and someone else responding with platitudes?
These people don’t talk like you or me, even at home, when eating breakfast…
“Darling could you pass me some toast?”
“I am delighted you have asked me; I have doubled the amount of toast I am passing you, in stark contrast to your first husband, who never sat with you at breakfast, or ate free range eggs”
“Tea or Coffee?”
“Both are acceptable, and I believe it is the right thing to do at this time. My consumption of both beverages is on record.”
“Can you pick up some milk on the way home from work, please?”
I am pleased to say that under this administration, milk has been available in plentiful quantities and I shall certainly look into the issue you have raised”
Tuesday 22 December 2009 at 10:40 am
A debate between the political leaders – haud me back.
The most famous is still the Nixon/Kennedy one. Apparently – so we are told – the more camera-friendly Kennedy was adjudged to have won in the eyes of the telly audience (outside the South), but the radio audience thought Nixon won the argument.
And we’re also told that Reagan won his debate by going ‘There you go again’ or whatever it was, and if true, the US got the president it deserved. If Fat Eck gets his shot at it, I suggest he just keeps going ‘Aye Weel’ in the Finlay Currie manner – it would work as well as owt.
Come to think of it though, the way things are going with Mike Russell and the Scottish Blogosphere, Salmond may by then have lost Russell – one of his main rivals for the SNP leadership – and the internal afterburn for the SNP if Russell is forced out would likely be gruesome.
Anyway, the ‘debate’ will be keech no matter who is dribbling for the cameras. It’s at moments like this we all realise how much we miss Charlie Kennedy.
Tuesday 22 December 2009 at 11:01 am
@wrinkled weasel,
I very rarely agree with you, but that comment made me laugh!
Tuesday 22 December 2009 at 11:03 am
The only thing I don’t understand is if the sky debate will be retransmitted on freeview or terrestrial. Only just over 50% of homes have access to sky news, it doesn’t seem entirely democratic to limit access to these debates for commercial reasons.
Tuesday 22 December 2009 at 11:07 am
Wrinkled:
Weasally the best comment on the thread so far!
Tuesday 22 December 2009 at 11:26 am
Unfortunately Tom, it was your good selves in the Labour Party who engaged in a “book-burning” tantrum in 1992:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scots-judge-bans-major-interview-1614120.html
But still – that inconvenient fact clearly shouldn’t be allowed to get in the way of another condescending rant against the SNP.
Tuesday 22 December 2009 at 11:38 am
correction:
last comment – the Major interview was in 1995, not 1992.
Tuesday 22 December 2009 at 12:07 pm
And stoatin’ comment weasley!
Tuesday 22 December 2009 at 4:18 pm
The Scots can be very small minded, of which Mr Salmond is a good example.
Tuesday 22 December 2009 at 7:19 pm
Is anyone under the impression that Salmond or Clegg or Screaming Lord Such’s successor might become PM here?
Or that Tom’s band of contrarians represent anyone much, apart from one another?
Clegg is bound to be invited, so far are the media from reality, but it is extending the wardrobe too far to imagine Griffin and his familiars, with their orcs and the wicked witch of the west to be called into attendance.
Tuesday 22 December 2009 at 9:40 pm
If the SNP HAVE to be there, it should be Angus Robertson. But there’s more likelihood of me mooing from the top of the Loch Ness Monster’s neck.
Wednesday 23 December 2009 at 8:46 pm
At this time whenn the 3 ‘main’ parties are attempting to cement their hegemony (Tom would prefer only two) It seems apposite to post the following from Peter Oborne:
“In practice it makes far more sense to talk of the New Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties as a homogeneous social and economic unit rather than as separate organisations with distinctive ideologies. In other words the real gulf in British politics is no longer between Tory and Labour. It is between a hegemonic Political Class and a population at large which is mainly disenfranchised and increasingly betrayed by what amounts to a conspiracy between the mainstream parties.”
Peter Oborne, ‘The Triumph of the Political Class’
Friday 25 December 2009 at 11:16 am
Peter Oborne wants a more right wing Tory Party permanently in power furthering the interests of the rich such as journos with high profile bylines.
OFF course he objects to the fact that an overwhelming majority do not, and so prattles re the people who have, for the most part, been elected to run those parties.
Does he object to the hegemony (to use the appropriate word) of Lord Cashcroft, now under investigation because his massive investment in the Tory party may have come from abroad?
Of course not. But please let me know if that replaces his twaddle re the EU.
Perhaps the question to be put in a referendum might be:
Do you want our politics bought by foreign based Billionaires, or to continue to move closer to Europe?
For those are the real alternatives.
Saturday 26 December 2009 at 11:28 am
Couple of days late with this but it is the season to be late.
Wow three people for whom I have very little personal respect will lie to me live on TV. I can hardly wait. I can understand why all three of them want this debate however, as otherwise people would vote for the traditional reasons
1) Who will put the most money in their pockets (tax cuts for some, benefits increases for other)
2) Who their parents voted for
3) Who looks most likely to govern well in the coming 4 years.. who am I kidding.
To be honest I would rather stick pins in my eyes than listen to a patronising upper class Tory, a patronising “son of the manse” or that other man, telling me how infringing my civil liberties is making me safer….aye right; or that giving billions to corrupt bankers who then put it into their own pockets was “the right thing to do” [Nationalisation was the right thing to do]
No I think I’ll go out and spend some quality time with friends who will tell me lies I want to hear… “I say Al you’ve lost a lot of weight over the festive period”.
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