And Another Thing…

Frank, I’ll ask.

Is all women shortlists throughout the Tory Party a reciprocal option?

Interesting Link Alex: but the invasion wasn’t illegal, and you are just trolling, or you would present something other than news of the Islamo-fascists’ latest atrocity.

“The White House said President Barack Obama had spoken to Mr Maliki and Mr Talabani to pledge his support.
Mr Obama said the attacks were an attempt to derail the peace process.

“These bombings serve no purpose other than the murder of innocent men, women and children, and they only reveal the hateful and destructive agenda of those who would deny the Iraqi people the future that they deserve,” Mr Obama said in a statement.

“The UK’s Foreign Secretary David Miliband said “such acts of terrorism can have no justification, and must be condemned without reservation”.

Has it occurred to you that Sadam wasn’t immortal and that at some point these people or their successors would have turned their hatred into organised violence anyway?

Oh and I suppose that the principal opponent to The Labour Party anywhere feels obliged to be nasty? So people notice?

The Tories in England, SNP in Scotland?

@Quietzapple

If an inquiry finds that the international trial of Al Megrahi was partizan and he was imprisoned unjustly, who pays the compensation he’d be due?

Does anyone know?

Does anyone care?

Tom

Countdown To Abdelbaset al-Megrahi’s end of compassionate release
currently
16 days

Some Nationalists are saying about the countdown clock on my blog

Do yourself, and others, a favour and get rid of your Megrahi ‘count-down’. In my opinion, it is ghoulish, degrading

entirely agree with Brownlie, your Megrahi thing is so tasteless. I didn’t think you would stoop to the level of Scotsman journalists.

do you think it is ???

Is it possible that women don’t particularly want to be in Parliament?
I ask because there are no obstacles to entering the blogosphere, yet the vast majority of bloggers are male.
I suspect that women are happy to let the boys play games, while they get on with the important work.

@Liberanos
“it’s certainly a fact that those who happen to look different are all too likely to suffer from jibes from the hard of thinking.”

Like having a silly haircut, or wearing garish clothes? What’s wrong with giving those people jibes?

Being one of those ‘citizens of the planet’ I see all petty squabbles of race and origin as pathetic. If we had true mobility in the world different countries could have different political, moral, legal and welfare systems and you’d go to whichever one fitted in best with your personal beliefs. Tragically that ain’t the case and I have to try to make the UK the best it can be*.

* Unfortunately people disagree with what I think is best for the country and insist on stupid things like keeping a monarchy.

Further to my previous comment, might I ask that the Labour party have not just men-only shortlists, but 60+year-old-pipe-smoking-men-only shortlists? That would bring back Clem Attlee, Harold Wilson, and Tony Benn. Or the old, original flavour Labour party before the New Recipe was invented and foisted on unsuspecting buyers. Who knows, I might even vote for them.

Quietzapple, I’m more than happy with a reciprocal arrangement whereby the Tory party has twenty-something-year-old-women-only shortlists. Tory women are always far more interesting than Labour wimmin. Who knows, I might even vote for them.

Johnny Norfolk says “In a free country you cannot choose who stands in politics”

That’s not true.

There are quite a lot of legal restrictions on who can stand for office. You can’t stand for election if you work in a politically restricted job for example or have been sequestrated (or bankrupt) or if you have certain criminal convictions. Off the top of my head I can’t remember exactly what criminal convictions debar you. It may be the sentence that debars you in fact. Can’t remember.

It is a matter of opinion whether being a bankrupt is something that should disqualify you from office whereas being a fascist is quite OK. It’s not a clear cut argument and I tend to think anyone who thinks it is has not really thought about it.

‘Ya think?’

That newspapers (and politicians) sometimes lie? And avoid discussion of serious issues with monosyllabic drivel?

ARGRHHHHH

I’ve just had a vision of 200 Margaret Thatchers being sworn in to Parliament when Labour get dropped on their arses in May

On outing, I doubt it needs the intellect of the FSB to investigate someone with a career of Army then FCO Indonesia, Balkans, Iraq; them walking across Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan. Not exactly a hidden profile.

And anyway Rory Stewart himself earlier name-dropped this into his The Observer profile of 17 May 2009: “He is still surreally well-connected, mentioning an email he has just received from a former head of MI6 asking who will win the Afghan elections”.

I agree, the UAF are thugs and need to be treated as extremists. However, one question begs to be answered. Why does David Cameroon support the UAF?

See http://www.uaf.org.uk/aboutUAF.asp?choice=4

Andrew around 80% of MPs are straight while indigenous males.

Do you truly attribute this to the fact that they are all more talented than anyone else?

The recent expenses nonsense surely suggests otherwise.

I personally suspect this is merely intended as a wake-up call to those constituency parties that haven’t yet chosen a candidate.

Pick one, or we impose one.

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BTW, mobile posting still broken. Keeps telling me I need to enable cookies (done) and enable Java (done).

Was this deliberate? Is it only me having the problems?

The puppy slogan Prob worked with rather more voters than:

“Vote for me or Geo ‘Mr Potato Head’ Osborne gets it,” will, despite his desperate promo on the BBC & etc.

£2k may be a big cash bonus to me, but it isn’t to many bank employees, nor to your $40m & Bart beneficiary who cannot be trusted to fund raise for his party.

The imposition of all female short lists will do for feminism what the BNP are doing for race relations.

Why don’t more women go in to politics? For the same reason that they don’t get through the glass ceiling in many other professional contexts. The terms and conditions of employment don’t actually suit family life particularly well.

The way that Parliament (and I assume you mean Westminster) operates was set up around lifestyles that even men don’t live any more.

Change the way that it operates and you will get more women.

Frank:

Noo, the deal is all Tory MPs & Councillors female, all Labour ones Male.

You obviously have not examined the pysogs pf Chameleon’s Chimeras:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222796/Camerons-cuties-The-80-women-likely-MPs-Tories-new-female-friendly-party.html

Never seen so many in line likely to emulate Caro Spelman, who exploited her parliamentary expenses to employ a nanny while pretending she was clerical staff.

Amid all the moats, wisteria & multi-millionaires wanting another extra house that was the one which got up my nose.

Exploiting one’s children isn’t done, old chap. Well, not in my circle.

Indy

“Do you truly attribute this to the fact that they (white, indigenous, & male) are all more talented than anyone else?”

Quite the reverse. If there were white, indigenous, male-only shortlists I would argue as strongly against that!

Positive discrimination based on race or gender, is nearly always used against the group of individuals in society that I’ve described. But ‘positive’ discrimination is still discrimination, and will alienate those being discriminated.

And yes, if 80% of politicians are white, male, and indigenous, that still doesn’t mean they are our most ‘talented’ people either.

Tom,

Big fan of your output and admire your sense of humour and your decency.

I have to say reading the above exchange with CHRIS & JAY I am a little shocked.

Firstly you demanded an apology if no evidence was presented. I think the links provided prove the case. Where is your apology? Or is everything just a smear? At least say why those examples are no good.

Why can’t you see the obvious and take the point on the chin.

I mean, let’s take the case of getting a Jewish politician and making him out to be Fagin. Could you imagine the outrage if a black female Labour MP was made out to be Aunt Jemima or an Asian male one to be Ali Baba thieving your savings?
You would be spitting blood and there is not a chance your organisation would allow the Tories to get away with a “After all, only someone woefully stupid would think so.”
But there is the self-righteous fallacy of New Labour. ‘We think we are morally superior so our actions are no matter what they are’. As if you folks think it genetically impossible for you to exploit race.

Even without direct and simplistic examples of an MP shouting ‘racist’, there is no way one can look at the debate on immigration over the last…er well… since Powell basically, and suggest that it has been rigorously addressed and I cannot comprehend anyone thinking that is not because of fear of being called racist. Where has been the debate? Integration vs Multiculturalism? The racist card has been used and abused. Shamefully and opportunistically.

My particular favourite was when Hague was leader and he raised immigration as an issue. He was directly accused of ‘playing the race card’ and was silenced. Then nobody mainstream mentioned immigration during the election. Then when unsurprisingly the BNP vote went up, a Lib Dem (fair one, not Lab this time) suggested the rise was because Hague has attempted to address the issue. Dangerous gamesmanship the results of which we are beginning to see.

I don’t know what to make of this. You seem to be being tactical or delusional. Neither are traits I would associate with yourself.

At the very least you need to explain why the examples provided are insufficient.

Oh BTW. For the joker (SIMON D) that suggests all wars are ‘illegal’. You are being mind bogglingly daft in my opinion.
For something to be illegal you need laws proving it is. I think you mean immoral. If ALL wars are illegal why did you use the word ‘illegal’. Surely just the word ‘war’ would mean the same thing?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1228416.stm

Game, set, match.

Or more likely. Silence.

Tom just to get back to real politics.

You wil enjoy reading this.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2009/10/27/poll-predicts-labour-trouncing-91466-25020815/

Oh, is Hopi Sen a bloke?

More than ten years after women-only shortlists were attempted in Labour, even that party still has the imbalance. Local parties are more likely to select members of whichever group is more likely to be represented in nominees, and if white men are more likely to seek nomination…

>> Andrew around 80% of MPs are straight while indigenous males.

This’ll come as a surprise to Peter Hain.

>> Do you truly attribute this to the fact that they are all more talented than anyone else?

>>The recent expenses nonsense surely suggests otherwise.

Female MPs have been just as represented in the scandal. Plus, talented could mean an ability to cook the books.

I’m a human racist.

There are far too many bloody people in this country and on this planet.

But Andrew you said that selection should be based on talent. That is the argument that is always put forward against gender balance mechanisms. We should select candidates based on talent rather than gender etc. If that argument was true then we would at present have a Westminster Parliament bursting at the seams with talented people, who just happen to be 80% white heterosexual straight men.

I don’t think anyone could make that argument and keep a straight face however.

I don’t understand why parliament should ‘Look like’ the country.

What has that to do with eficiency?

Efficiency.
Sorry.

A persons voting habits shouldn’t affect their ability to do the job they were employed for. So as long as they can do it well, I don’t care if they are Labour Liberal or Tory, or maybe even Green

Fine, even though she doesn’t edit content, get rid of her.

Lets do a deal, sack her and then get rid of all the professed big government lefties that work there, the sons of Labour peers, those that think it OK to use their talents political opinions as copy (David Tennant) and those going from the Labour party to the Beeb or vice versa.

It will end up being a loss ratio of about 1:1000 as a rough estimate. I’ll take it.

BTW Tom, regarding the logo:

http://oldslaughterscoffeehouse.blogspot.com/2010/01/and-they-all-look-just-same.html

Spot on Michael

After all their moans and groans about Greg Dyke, here’s yet another example of Tory hypocracy. Does Stowell come from Planet Cameron? That terrible, glassy-eyed stare is unmistakeable.

Has she ever been editor of the Today programme? Like Rod Liddle was? What about chat shows? Has she ever stood in for “Red Andy” Marr? Both of these were staunch Labour supportersy yet I do not ever recall it being mentioned on the Beeb.

Greg Dyke – remember him? Stood as a Labour candidate. Only ran the Beeb at one point.

Nahh…. there’s never been any lefties in positions of power and influence in the Brown Broadcasting Corporation.

Onr Tory tree in a forest of lefties.

Tom. I declared my membership of the Conservative list of approved candidates to my employer as soon as I joined it in November last year. And from that moment I have not been permitted to represent the BBC or speak for the BBC in any capacity, delegating all such responsibilities to other colleagues. I can assure you and all your blog readers that the BBC has established procedures which allow its staff to seek public service through elected office. Of course, I am not involved in any way in the production, reporting or distribution of the BBC’s news or any editorial content. And by the way, my website has only been live since I was shortlisted for Bromsgrove in January. Tina.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. One wrong certainly doesn’t make several thousand wrongs right.

Nothing unusual in BBC executives wanting to be something else. I’m led to believe Mark Thompson has one eye on becoming the next Pope.

Then again…. he may already have succeeded in doing so. Opuse Dei are alive and well, as well as Tories and Lefties.

What a strange bunch of bedfellows.

Nothing unusual in BBC executives wanting to be something else. I’m led to believe Mark Thompson has one eye on becoming the next Pope.

Then again…. he may already have succeeded in doing so. Opuse Dei are alive and well, as well as Tories and Lefties.

What a strange bunch of bedfellows.

Oh, and Slaughtered might like to explain how referring to David Cameron as “Chameleon” is a lie?

It is a metaphor, based on his somewhat variable political hue, as he seems to blend into whatever he and his fellow PR people see as most politically advantageous.

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@Quietzapple

No one has to show that blair didn’t tell the truth about serious matters; they simply have to believe it, based perhaps on the actual findings, for the transposing of a and i to be valid in their eyes.

Same as your belief that Cameron tries to be all things to all people.

Over te last few weeks I have recorded the length of time that positive news stories on both Conservatives and Labour and its quite shockingly biased towards Labour. News stories on tory plans are on the front page of the web site for only a short period and negative ones kept up longer whilst it is the complete opposite for Labour. Considering that it is meant to be impartial it is disgusting.

[...] Tom’s right. The BBC is biased. [...]

It must be the Tory bias that made the PM program send a reporter to stand on Macclesfield station for the day and ask commuters if they were offended by Nicholas Winterton’s dramatic revelation about first class and second class passengers.

if its biased we can shut it down then.
The Liar party wont be objecting

Anyone who wants to help Labour look rediculous (from all political directions: Green, Tory, Lib Dem, SNP …) please keep feeding this Quietzapple trol. If possible encourage him on to other blogs and message board. The more people see Labour supporters like this the more turned off they will be by their party.