AN ODD thing happened at PMQs today.
The Tories had apparently come up with a ripping wheeze in order to make sure Nadine Dorries was called to ask a question about Smeargate. So they decided that, until Nadine was called, none of her colleagues would attempt to “catch the Speaker’s eye” by standing up between questions.
And so it transpired that, when the Speaker came to choose someone from the Tory benches, only Nadine was standing. So of course he called her.
I don’t know if perhaps she was feeling the pressure of the spotlight, but she did not shine. She asked the Prime Minister if he would “say sorry for what happened”. This did not prove the bear trap that the opposition clearly had hoped it would be and Gordon’s response was confident and appropriate.
Their standard bearer having had her moment, the Tory legions resumed the customary practice of the eager back bencher known in parliamentary terms as “bobbing up and down”.
However they had not anticipated Mr Speaker’s determination to uphold the rules and conventions of the House. And one of those conventions is that if you want to get called at PMQs, you need to start standing at the very start. If you wait until even a few minutes in, you reticence will be interpreted as a sign of disrespect to the House and it’s unlikely you’ll get called.
And so it proved today. Labour and Liberal members cheered as the Speaker deliberately avoided calling Tories who had colluded in their little scheme. Not a single other Tory was called from the floor. Sir Peter Tapsell would have been called had we got far enough down the order paper (he was number 14) but we didn’t.
I suspect that those Tories who actually wanted to raise an important issue, perhaps about their own constituencies, might not be so keen to play such silly games with the Chamber in future.














Wednesday 22 April 2009 at 3:12 pm
I think this post can be best summarised as follows:
“An odd thing happened today, as nuclear war broke out, I noticed black spot on my roses that I was pruning.”
Wednesday 22 April 2009 at 3:25 pm
Is a smear a smear when its true, and has been common knowledge for a while?
Wednesday 22 April 2009 at 3:29 pm
Tom, I need to borrow £175 billion to cover my costs. Any ideas where I can get such a loan?
Wednesday 22 April 2009 at 3:33 pm
I notice Michael Martin was away today – I wonder why? The Deputy Speaker appears to be a far less partisan (and divisive) figure to me.
That said, the Tories don’t exactly help themselves by repeatedly breaking conventions like this.
Wednesday 22 April 2009 at 3:49 pm
Boys’ games!
Wednesday 22 April 2009 at 4:12 pm
He alwyas upholds the rules if it benifits Labour.
Wednesday 22 April 2009 at 4:14 pm
I agree with you on this Tom. But I wish you’d cover the budget in as much detail.
Wednesday 22 April 2009 at 4:17 pm
Planted questions, from any party, do not bring your workplace into repute. Have you never asked one?
Wednesday 22 April 2009 at 4:17 pm
Right so the politics in our nation can best be summed up as childish and petty party sniping.
And you politicians seriously wonder why we are all getting fed up of you?
Regards
EddieH
Wednesday 22 April 2009 at 4:18 pm
Tom,
Are you accusing the Tories of manipulation and, horror of horrors, “spin”. Surely not…..
Wednesday 22 April 2009 at 4:22 pm
Grim Reaper at 3.33 pm: “I notice Michael Martin was away today – I wonder why? The Deputy Speaker appears to be a far less partisan (and divisive) figure to me”
The Budget statement is never chaired by the Speaker – it is instead chaired by the Chairman of Ways and Means (Alan Haselhurst). Michael Martin was certainly around today (see my post for details).
Wednesday 22 April 2009 at 4:50 pm
The more silly game played in the chamber today was that pathetic excuse for a budget delivered by the Chancellor, anything to say about that Tom?
Wednesday 22 April 2009 at 6:45 pm
I thought the lovely Nadine was intending to sue someone, or so she was saying on her blog at every opportunity. Although she’s gone a bit quiet about that now.
Today, she’s upset about the £550 million gift to Scotland, by a Scottish PM and Chancellor, in order to develop Scottish wind power.
She sees today’s move by her colleagues at PMQ’s as “magnificent”.
Bless!
Wednesday 22 April 2009 at 6:46 pm
In all the PMQ’s I’ve watched, Gordon Brown has NEVER given a straight answer to any question asked, so Nadine saved her fellow MPs the bother.
If I asked a question to either Nadine or Gordon, I know which one would give me a truthful answer.
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 8:34 am
“I suspect that those Tories who actually wanted to raise an important issue, perhaps about their own constituencies, might not be so keen to play such silly games with the Chamber in future. ”
Gordon Brown has treated PMQs with complete contempt from the very beginning. He almost never answers the question raised, but prefers to repeat some preprepared waffle. If an opposition MP did have an important issue to raise, PMQs is not the place to do it.
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 9:20 am
It was worth it – which question played on TV?
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 9:20 am
Hopefully very soon Gordon will be sitting down forever. When he gets his backside handed to him at the election that he cannot avoid.
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 9:21 am
Gordon doesn’t answer questions anyway.
It is more valuable to force him to confront the bullying culture at the heart of his government any day of the week.
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 9:23 am
“I suspect that those Tories who actually wanted to raise an important issue, perhaps about their own constituencies, might not be so keen to play such silly games with the Chamber in future. ”
There is no point in trying to get a straight answer from this prime minister, he is simply incapable of giving one.
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 9:23 am
What a way to run a country, (shakes head)
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 9:34 am
Nadine would not have felt compeled to ask her question if that ******* you call your leader had done what he ought to have done at the very start of all this. I was at a supper party last night and one of the other guests said, when this topic was raised, ‘just what sort of people are they that would dream up such lies and filth and think it was clever to do so’ ? You seem to be defending it so perhaps you could tell us all. Or have you totally lost any sense of decency and honour ? Gordon Brown set the tone of the Downing Street back office so he must take responsibility for what has happened. He is not fit to hold his office.
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 9:38 am
Oh my god, to think that we will shortly be governed by such a silly party.
The thought that all our really clever people will be looking around for alternative employment is really a terrible injustice.
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 9:45 am
Andy at 9.34 am: “You seem to be defending it so perhaps you could tell us all. Or have you totally lost any sense of decency and honour ?”
Since you’re new to this site, it might be useful for you to read this post, which sets out my position on Smeargate. Condemning one thing does not mean I have to condone silly boys’ games in the Chamber.
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 10:01 am
Tom Harris 09.45: I followed the link…
“First, I think it’s important that Labour people make clear — and are SEEN to make clear — that this whole McBride/Draper episode (must we call it “Smeargate”? Really?) is as inexcusable to us as it is to the rest of the world.”
We are obsessed with how we look rather than the truth. It is NOT right that first and foremost we look contrite, we should actually BE contrite.
More spin, more lies, more self serving contempt for the public.
The Tories were sleazy because they couldn’t keep their pants on, we have taken it to a whole new level and I couldn’t look my grandkids in the eye if I voted for the party under the current regieme.
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 10:09 am
So Gordo is given the opportunity to make a gracious verbal apology for what he has described as “disgusting smears” and you somehow see it as being a small episode in a “silly boys game”. The PLP are finished and no wonder with your attitude. I dont know how safe you seat is, but looking at the PMs body language, he thinks the game is up as well for alot of his motly crew . The opiion polls are now fimly stacked against another Lab win. Unfortunately the Himalayan mountain of debt Lab will leave to be paid won’t go away so easily. How any of those responsible for this mess can get a nights sleep after having promised “prudence” and “an end to boom and bust”is staggering.
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 10:10 am
If Gordon Brown was in anyway half decent,then Nadine Dorries and her fellow Tory’s would not have found the need to ‘ambush’ him over the smeargate e-mails would they?
Nadine and every other person that has ever suffered at the hands of one of New Labour’s smear campaigns have my full support.
I WILL NEVER VOTE LABOUR AGAIN!!!
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 10:12 am
I think Tom Harris is guilty of duplicity on this matter. If question time were a genuine Q & A session to “raise important issues”, your position might just hold water.
But as QT is about theatrics, point scoring and getting a good sound-bite for the plebs, your feigned indignation seems disingenuous. Accusing them of “silly boys games” nudges your whole contention into hypocrisy.
As Guido asks, “which question played on TV?”.
Nadine deserved an unreserved apology which was extracted. Points decision to the Tories I’m afraid Tom.
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 10:19 am
Ms. Dorries’ question was rather effective; did nt the prime minister actually utter the word ‘ Sorry’ ?
On a more salient issue, which ‘AD’ delivered the Budget yesterday ? Was it Alastair Darling or Arthur Daley ?
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 10:22 am
You are wrong – no one expects a useful answer from the PM at PMQs.
It should be renamed ‘Prime Ministers Answer Time’ to remind Brown why he is there.
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 10:27 am
Great Godfrey’s Goat! This is just plain embarrassing. What possible benefit to either party is this. As for your ludicrous crowing……
Begone, the lot of you.
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 10:28 am
Most people will consider the Speakers actions to be small minded, vindictive and partisan and to illustrate why he is generally held in such low esteem.
What does the fact that you would appear to endorse his behaviour say about you?
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 10:32 am
You lot really do live in a little world of your own, don’t you. Try getting a job in the private sector and see what you find. The private sector pays for all you lot and all that debt!. Why do we have to carry six layers of Government, why do we have to have so many MPs?
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 10:45 am
Gordon had a youtube up a few months back. ‘Email me your concerns and I shall address them and get back to you.’
Rising to the challenge I asked “What are your plans for tackling the decline of the new car industry and encouraging the market again?”
I got back
“I have personally visited all the tractor plants in your area. Production has risen 155% for the 12th year running. Flat screen TV’s are selling at a record 4.89% above the previous best ever level of 100,000/ month. More fit, young men are now engaged in the work creation programs of the People’s Worker’s New deal. Now over 16,000,000 join this well trained army, the envy of Europe… 16% increase in pancake creation since…” and so on for 60 pages.
So I sent the email again.
And got back..
“What are YOU going to do about the new car market?”
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 11:06 am
It’s funny because all I can remember from PMQs yesterday is the fact that Nadine got up and asked for an apology (as she had every right to do) and the PM waltzed around it instead of giving one. So from the whole half hour this voter only remembers that Gordon can’t apologise properly and a name to the face of that lady his goons had smeared.
Why can’t labour accept that they’re coming across so badly to the people?
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 11:23 am
Tom, yYou let yourself down. Not as badly as Brown let himself down, but even so…
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 12:25 pm
You know I read this with a fully open mind however this article just shows why you will be going down to the biggest defeat you have ever had.
Its not about politics on this occasion its about a lady who had done nothing wrong and was slurred outrageously by Labour. I also noted the only person standing was Nadine and I fully respect all the conservatives for looking to the floor.
Sir! for this slur and in different life I would have thrown my gauntlet to the ground in front of you and met you the following morning at sunrise.
I have a feeling you would not be there though.
Dont touch Nadine!
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 4:37 pm
Tom Harris said: “The Budget statement is never chaired by the Speaker – it is instead chaired by the Chairman of Ways and Means (Alan Haselhurst).”
Is there any specific reason for this convention?
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 4:39 pm
There certainly is – I just don’t know what it is! I will endeavour to find out and get back to you.
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 7:06 pm
Tom, in trying to score points you miss the whole picture. The question Nadine asked Brown was entirely correct – is Brown not responsible for those who work in his office ?? I often watch PMQ’s and frankly most questions (particularly those from your side of the House) are a complete and utter waste of time. You need a sick bag handy most of the time. So why wouldn’t the Speaker (all out Labour man of course and a very poor Speaker) have called her to ask a question about something which is specifically the Prime Ministers responsibility ?? Nadine was doing what she is paid to do – hold the government to account. I would go further. Brown should have made a full apology to the House. So why didn’t you ask the question ?? Aren’t you supposed to help to hold the Government to account ???
At last nights supper party the feeling round the table was Brown knew about the emails – specifically what their contents were. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, but I’m probably being naive. Nevertheless HE employed McPoison and protected him; HE set the tone for what is his office. The culture which created this – and all the other smears we have seen over a long period (mostly of fellow Labour MPs) – was created by him. As I said he is not fit to hold his office and the sooner you stop supporting him the better. Lets look forward to further revelations from Guido. I wouldn’t be in the least surprised if there is more filth to slither out. So yes I agree with you that you messed up. But what you fail to do is to even begin to address the point of just what sort of sick culture allowed this to develop in the first place.
Thursday 23 April 2009 at 11:11 pm
Tom,
Why are you only responding to comments regarding House procedure. Why aren’t you answering comments on the PM’s ‘apology’?
Do you feel his apology was sufficient. Would you have gone further? Would you have liked a leader of your party, with a moral compass, go further in his apology or is a full and frank apology not required by an elected representative?
Friday 24 April 2009 at 9:38 am
@Bill Quango MP:
‘So I sent the email again.
And got back..
“What are YOU going to do about the new car market?”’
I got the same thing when I asked my MP, at his surgery (pre-arranged, you can’t just turn up), Have you contacted the Environment Agency with your concerns about emissions from the [incinerator he and the local Labour party claim the Tory led county council want to build near Quedgeley, Gloucester]?
His reply: ‘Have *you* contacted the Environment Agency?’
Still it was better than his answer to most of my other questions (I had a lot saved up), a sulky ‘Why should I tell *you* that?’
The difference between this account of PM’sQ’s and Guido’s couldn’t be more marked. Joe can’t decide who to believe…
Friday 24 April 2009 at 2:59 pm
Tom,
From an earlier blog of yours;
“And the people behind this sordid little mess owe everyone named in these emails a very public apology.”
I refer to my earlier question above; do you really think that the “apology” offered by the PM (an elected reresentative of his constituency and an elected (sic) representative of the PLP) during PMQs or publically constitutes a “very public apology”. Of course I have interpreted his involvement as his staff, in his office were the recorded perpetrators (although I am sure that the buck doesn’t stop there – more revelations in the Sundays this week?).
In this context, I can understand the Conservative’s actions at PMQs on Wednesday, I am disappointed that you have taken the line in this blog.
Saturday 25 April 2009 at 7:18 pm
According to Nadine’s blog she has now instructed her solicitors to sue. Good for her !!
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